Curtis said:
More troubling to me are the societal self preservation
  programming that allowed large groups of people to ignore it all and
 to participate.  That is one that we can't comfortably distance
 ourselves from with labels!  They were us.

That's an excellent point and my main concern also.  They ARE us, Curtis.  If 
you really pursue the history of the 3rd Reich, you can't help but come to the 
conclusion that the folks that installed Hitler also installed Bush.  We are 
torturing people now.  It was primarily American money that installed Hitler. 
You can call it conspiracy or you can call it the simple strategizing of the 
money party.  It comes to the same thing. a

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