--- In [email protected], new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], "hugheshugo" > > <richardhughes103@> wrote: > > ><snip> > > > But no, that would kill some of Hitlers menace, and > > that is what these people can't seem to grasp hence all the extra > > things he has to have been doing/possessed by etc. to justify the > > terrible reality of him. And that is this; He was just a man. > > My question (other than pointing out new age elements in and during > formative years of the Third Reich) was whether Hitler was involved in > what we might loosely term spiritual or transformational practices. > Like we are. Part of which he like symbols. Marek likes symbols too, > as to some others here. Does you believe such practice make us > "special"? If not, why would such practices make others believe that > for Hitler? >
Because people need to think that Hitler was more than just a man, that he was possessed or had supernormal powers. It pushes him away from us in that he becomes "other". I guess it makes people feel safe to think that he isn't just another person, I think people being what we are it wouldn't take much for societal pressure to turn us into killers, this has been demonstrated too many times. People obey those they consider superior. People, understandably fear that and need a way of justifying what happened as the result of supernatural force. I think the problem with this debate is that you think I'm denying Hitler was into sorcery etc. I'm not, but I think it gets too much prominence as I don't think black magic, or occult symbols do anything other than form the focus of beliefs or practises. That's my opinion, and I am always happy to recive evidence to the contrary, but I had an interest in the magic of Aleister Crowley and I agree with him, magical symbols and practise do something to the mind by breaking taboos and unleashing unconscious power. I don't believe there is more to it than that. Crowley never summoned enough magic to blow out a match, why would the third reich be any different? It was a new religion for them to go with their new empire, no more than that. > A premise, perhaps of your question, is that Hitler is THE example of > "the most evil". And that we and being ordinary as was he, could > wander into that space. I have no issue with the latter. But IMO, > Hitler has had a PR dept working overtime to cultivate this "most > evil" image. Bad, bad man, yes. > > But by what claim to being "most evil"? Mao and Stalin each killed, I > think, upwards to 100 million. And barbarians have lived in all ages, > killing higher %'s of population than Hitler. So on the scoreboard of > those killed, Hitler was quite down the list. No, that he was "most evil" wasn't my point at all. I'm starting to think you've got me muddled up with someone else. I think the third reich differered qualitatively from Stalin etc. in that they had "scientifically" proved that certain groups, Jews Gypsies etc, were subhuman. It was the first time mechanised industrial slaughter of people considered less than human had occured. Stalin starved millions to death because they got in the way of his glorious revolution. I don't think the numbers really matter in who is "most evil" they were all a pretty rum bunch. > > And what demonic most evil person wrote these words? > > "Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever > they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in > which sheer self-glory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God > and men are practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them. > .... > Moreover, they are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no > morsel and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and > pilfered from us by means of their accursed usury. Thus they live from > day to day, together with wife and child, by theft and robbery, as > arch-thieves and robbers, in the most impenitent security. > ... > However, they have not acquired a perfect mastery of the art of lying; > they lie so clumsily and ineptly that anyone who is just a little > observant can easily detect it. But for us Christians they stand as a > terrifying example of God's wrath. > ... > Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel > that God and all the angels dance when he farts? > ... > Alas, it cannot be anything but the terrible wrath of God which > permits anyone to sink into such abysmal, devilish, hellish, insane > baseness, envy, and arrogance. If I were to avenge myself on the devil > himself I should be unable to wish him such evil and misfortune as > God's wrath inflicts on the Jews, compelling them to lie and to > blaspheme so monstrously, in violation of their own conscience. > Anyway, they have their reward for constantly giving God the lie." > > http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/1543-Luther-JewsandLies- full.html > > None other than the father of the Reformation, and founder of Lutheran > church, Martin Luther. Was Mein Kampf more rabid than this? > Fascinating, this historic scapegoating of Jews amazes me. When did it start? was it really all because the elders of Jerusalem demanded Christ be sacrificed? But can you see how this actually underlines my point that Hitler was somebody who's lifes circumstances led to WW2, and not that he was somehow different or demonic.
