"Crowley never summoned enough magic to blow out a match, why would the third reich be any different? It was a new religion for them to go with their new empire, no more than that."
Favorite quote of the day! --- In [email protected], "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], new.morning <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > > --- In [email protected], "hugheshugo" > > > <richardhughes103@> wrote: > > > ><snip> > > > > > But no, that would kill some of Hitlers menace, and > > > that is what these people can't seem to grasp hence all the extra > > > things he has to have been doing/possessed by etc. to justify the > > > terrible reality of him. And that is this; He was just a man. > > > > My question (other than pointing out new age elements in and during > > formative years of the Third Reich) was whether Hitler was involved > in > > what we might loosely term spiritual or transformational practices. > > Like we are. Part of which he like symbols. Marek likes symbols too, > > as to some others here. Does you believe such practice make us > > "special"? If not, why would such practices make others believe > that > > for Hitler? > > > > Because people need to think that Hitler was more than just a man, > that he was possessed or had supernormal powers. It pushes him away > from us in that he becomes "other". I guess it makes people feel safe > to think that he isn't just another person, I think people being what > we are it wouldn't take much for societal pressure to turn us into > killers, this has been demonstrated too many times. People obey those > they consider superior. People, understandably fear that and need a > way of justifying what happened as the result of supernatural force. > > I think the problem with this debate is that you think I'm denying > Hitler was into sorcery etc. I'm not, but I think it gets too much > prominence as I don't think black magic, or occult symbols do > anything other than form the focus of beliefs or practises. > > That's my opinion, and I am always happy to recive evidence to the > contrary, but I had an interest in the magic of Aleister Crowley and > I agree with him, magical symbols and practise do something to the > mind by breaking taboos and unleashing unconscious power. I don't > believe there is more to it than that. Crowley never summoned enough > magic to blow out a match, why would the third reich be any > different? It was a new religion for them to go with their new > empire, no more than that. > > > > > A premise, perhaps of your question, is that Hitler is THE example > of > > "the most evil". And that we and being ordinary as was he, could > > wander into that space. I have no issue with the latter. But IMO, > > Hitler has had a PR dept working overtime to cultivate this "most > > evil" image. Bad, bad man, yes. > > > > But by what claim to being "most evil"? Mao and Stalin each killed, > I > > think, upwards to 100 million. And barbarians have lived in all > ages, > > killing higher %'s of population than Hitler. So on the scoreboard > of > > those killed, Hitler was quite down the list. > > > No, that he was "most evil" wasn't my point at all. I'm starting to > think you've got me muddled up with someone else. > > I think the third reich differered qualitatively from Stalin etc. in > that they had "scientifically" proved that certain groups, Jews > Gypsies etc, were subhuman. It was the first time mechanised > industrial slaughter of people considered less than human had > occured. Stalin starved millions to death because they got in the way > of his glorious revolution. I don't think the numbers really matter > in who is "most evil" they were all a pretty rum bunch. > > > > > > > > > And what demonic most evil person wrote these words? > > > > "Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever > > they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in > > which sheer self-glory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of > God > > and men are practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on > them. > > .... > > Moreover, they are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no > > morsel and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and > > pilfered from us by means of their accursed usury. Thus they live > from > > day to day, together with wife and child, by theft and robbery, as > > arch-thieves and robbers, in the most impenitent security. > > ... > > However, they have not acquired a perfect mastery of the art of > lying; > > they lie so clumsily and ineptly that anyone who is just a little > > observant can easily detect it. But for us Christians they stand as > a > > terrifying example of God's wrath. > > ... > > Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious > jewel > > that God and all the angels dance when he farts? > > ... > > Alas, it cannot be anything but the terrible wrath of God which > > permits anyone to sink into such abysmal, devilish, hellish, insane > > baseness, envy, and arrogance. If I were to avenge myself on the > devil > > himself I should be unable to wish him such evil and misfortune as > > God's wrath inflicts on the Jews, compelling them to lie and to > > blaspheme so monstrously, in violation of their own conscience. > > Anyway, they have their reward for constantly giving God the lie." > > > > http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/1543-Luther-JewsandLies- > full.html > > > > None other than the father of the Reformation, and founder of > Lutheran > > church, Martin Luther. Was Mein Kampf more rabid than this? > > > > > Fascinating, this historic scapegoating of Jews amazes me. When did > it start? was it really all because the elders of Jerusalem demanded > Christ be sacrificed? > > But can you see how this actually underlines my point that Hitler was > somebody who's lifes circumstances led to WW2, and not that he was > somehow different or demonic. >
