In my world. If a Teacher have sex with a student or a Master with the Disciple or secretary or student, I call it sex-abuse. If a Master find another Master to have sex with - I don't care. For a Master or Guru or Maharishi to have sex with somebody who trust you to be a spiritual guide, it is sex-abuse, and can really be harmfull. Ingegerd
--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Thanks for the response! > > -Peter > > No problemo. But to get back to the original > topic in the Subject line, I see celibacy as > a great path for those for whom it is approp- > riate. I just don't think it is appropriate > for everyone. > > As regards Maharishi's celibacy or lack thereof, > I have to admit it isn't a big concern of mine. > As I said before, I could see a notarized state- > ment from the entire Dallas Cheerleaders squad > about their orgies with the man and it wouldn't > change my opinion of him and all that I am grate- > ful to him for one bit. Except that I'd probably > want to ask him where he buys his Viagra. :-) > > I've run into quite a few spiritual teachers > along the Way who had sex with their students. > It messes with your mind, because somewhere in > the back of that mind there's this little voice > saying, "But wait...they're not supposed to DO > that." > > But they do. More of them than you might think. > > Sometimes it as an integral part of a spiritual > trip, as in traditional (non-Western, non-Newage) > Tantric traditions that embraced sex, and each > other. Sometimes it's as a clear reaction to > and rejection of one's former life as a celibate > monk, as in Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche. I mean, > that man messes with your head big-time. He was > a recognized Tulku within a respected Tibetan > lineage. And one day he just stopped wearing > his traditional robes and started wearing Western > clothing and boinking anything in sight. And then > he moved to America and basically drank himself to > death, writing along the Way some of the most > remarkable commentaries on Tibetan Buddhism I've > ever read. Go figure. > > And sometimes it's done illicitly, and denied when > it's found out. > > For me, when I-slept-with-Swami-Mahananda stories > come my way, I'd love to just let them go in one > chakra and out another, without judging them. But > I'm human, and Still Working On Things :-), so I > find myself judging the teachers just like every- > one else out there. But I try to do so based on > the little I know about the story in question, > and whether the relationship seemed to be mutually > respectful and mutually beneficial. If that's the > case, I have no problem with the teacher's behavior. > > It's not always the case. There are a lot of sexual > games that are played in student-teacher relation- > ships, and not all of them strike me as clean. The > whole idea of "mutual consent" becomes suspect if > the organization in question reveres its teacher > almost as a god and is accustomed to doing every- > thing he or she says without question. The issue > of "mutual respect" is probably tougher, because > few teachers get beyond trying to maintain that > teacher-student relationship in bed, and really > into a one-on-one, human-to-human relationship. > And let's face it, some teachers have seduced their > students and then dumped on them big-time. > > It's a complex issue, one with no easy answers. > If I were still teaching regularly, I don't think > I'd touch it with a ten-foot pole. It's really not > that I think teacher-student sex is wrong on any > cosmic level or "law of nature," it's just that I > think I know myself well enough to know that I > couldn't handle it myself with the degree of > mutual respect and openness I demand of other > teachers if I fall prey to judging them. > > Anyway, none of this requies any kind of response. > The subject came up and I just thought I'd rap > about it a little bit from a cafe on a Sunday > afternoon. > > Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
