On Jun 6, 2005, at 2:17 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > The larger question to be pondered, in my opinion, is > whether the "high" is "transmitted" from the teacher to > the student, as is commonly believed, or whether it may > come from another phenomenon altogether. > > There are some traditions that explain this phenomenon > in terms of "recognition." You sit in the presence of > someone who is "firing on more cylinders" than you are. > They are "higher," or in a more advanced state of con- > sciousness. More aspects of their being have "woken up." > And in that person's presence, you find that similar > aspects of YOUR being "wake up."
Yeah, I agree. Outer darshan is actually inner darshan and the two are one. Really the inner guru is what we are touching inside our own consciousness. The nice thing about this is that we can unify all your masters into this state. It's not limited in any way. It sad in a way this become associated with an external object. If you have recognition of the state of unification with all the masters, then you can take that wherever you be. A value meal of Love. > Some people like to believe that this is the result of > "transmission," of the teacher "beaming" something at > the student that "awakens" him or her. The problem with > this interpretation, in my opinion, is that the student > often gets "hooked" on the darshan, in very much the > same way that someone gets hooked on drugs. They live > for the "hit" they get when in the presence of the > teacher. And over time they begin to believe that the > high they get from this is *due* to the teacher, and > that they cannot achieve it on their own. Not good, in > my opinion. Yeah, you really see this around the Muktananda people. Darshan becomes an addiction. What is most disconcerting to me is you get the feeling these people would run over babies to get their hit--they often seem oblivious to others and even unkind in their jealous pursuit. > Darshan can be explained just as effectively as a process > of recognition. You sit with someone who is in a higher > state of consciousness than you are. ALL of the aspects > of that higher state of consciousness are already within > you. And when they *see* themselves in another human > being, they "wake up" and being to become active in you. > Darshan, given this interpretation, becomes a process that > is initiated by the student's inner being, not by the > teacher. I like the explanation more because it puts > the responsibility for one's evolution back where I think > it belongs, in the lap of the seeker. Yeah, this is like Sheldrake's idea of a morphegenetic field--someone attains a state of awareness and this establishes a "memory" within nature. If all time is really seen as pressed up against the present, we are merely using a memory in the field which allows us to tap into our future-selves, our Buddha-nature. Going to be enlightened in 10 lives, 1 life, a hundred lives, a million lives? It doesn't matter--tap into your future enlightened Buddha-nature here-&-now. The enlightened being sets up that meme as a morphegenetic field--we tap in, but it's not through that object, but our own inner guru, which was always there from the beginning. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
