--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > --- cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > --- In [email protected], "Phil
> > > Goldberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Another interpretation of the observation
> below
> > > about the use of 
> > > > antidepressants: a lot of TM veterans might
> have
> > > been clinically 
> > > > depressed for years and hoping that the
> program
> > > would cure the 
> > > problem -
> > > > - and/or assuming that getting help for the
> > > condition was 
> > > > somehow "unspiritual."  In which case, finally
> > > doing something 
> > > about it 
> > > > may be a sign of maturity as much as
> > > disillusionment with the TMO.  
> > > By 
> > > > the way, I say this because I spoke to a
> scientist
> > > who recently 
> > > > published a study on the use of
> antidepressants
> > > among long-term 
> > > > Buddhist meditators, so it's not unique to the
> TM
> > > world.  This, of 
> > > > course, does not in any way diminish the very
> real
> > > despair caused 
> > > by 
> > > > finding out the emperor has fewer clothes than
> one
> > > imagined.  
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > I'm on prozac and my son is on something else.
> We
> > > both meditate and 
> > > > swear by it. That we have something a bit
> tougher
> > > than TM by itself 
> > > can 
> > > > handle doesn't invalidate TM. I was told to go
> to
> > > sleep by 9PM 
> > > every 
> > > > night and I almost never do. Maybe TM + 9PM
> > > bedtime would be 
> > > enough, 
> > > > who can say?
> > > 
> > > According to Mahaaraaja Nader Raama's book yoga
> is
> > > "connected"
> > > to the cerebral cortex. I wonder if that's why
> > > meditation is
> > > not necessarily very effective in treating
> primarily
> > > emotional 
> > > problems, like depression. OTOH, I seem to
> recall
> > > you use fluoxetine 
> > > for OCD, or stuff. But I guess there might be a
> > > strong emotional
> > > component in OCD, too.
> > 
> > OCD is an anxiety disorder. The obsessions and
> > compulsions are a defense against an emotionally
> > disorganized experience. The source of the
> > disorganization has to be addressed.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Who says?

Me. I'm a clinical psychologist. I do this for a
living.


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