--True, there's no false identification of an ego with an "I" or the body, but the BODY is still there and carries on with the same modes of behavior. The fact that there's no "ghost in the machine" (a term used in physics) doesn't eradicate the fact that the bodily STILL expresses it's own desires. To coin a new Zen Koan: "sex maniac before Enlightenment, sex maniac after Enlightenment". But more to the point, from what people have observed, some Gurus spend the early part of their lives in concentrated Sadhana; and after Realizing the Self, when tempted by the lure of fame, money, and sexual pleasures, often given into these enticements by virtue of pent up desires and tendences not adequately expressed in the earlier years. As if to make up for lost time in the pursuit of bodily pleasures (again, WHO is desiring these pleasures? The BODY itself!)..such people (certain Gurus) sometimes fall victim to aberrations of immoral behavior even including illegal activities. - In [email protected], Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- claudiouk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The Ego, Freud said, is primarily a "bodily" ego. > > After enlightenment > > the body is still there and other people's bodies > > are still not one's > > own.. in the relative the same rules still apply. > > Ego arises out of identification. Consciousness > identifies with the body and the mind to create a > sense of individuality. When this identification is no > longer occuring there is no "ownership" of anything. > There is no "my" body or "your" body. This distinction > in ignorance comes about because of the experience of > the ego. This does not mean that there is no sensory > distinction in enlightenment. Of course the sensory > distinction is there (people in UC don't walk into > walls!). But there is no longer "mine" and "yours". > That is a distinction of ego. The ego, per its nature, > includes and excludes. > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Jeff Fischer" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Rick Archer > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > on 6/8/05 11:45 PM, mathatbrahman at > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > And if the enlightened person says that in order > > to justify his > > > behavior, > > > > then fine. "Nobody" will mind if his body spends > > some time in jail. > > > > > > Nice. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/
To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
