Thanks - I will try Ebay and the local video store, as well. Back in the 70's, 
I loved the Tao 
of Physics and also Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.  I 
have not 
followed Capra's work since, but am going to check out his institute.  An 
amazing man. A 
book I just finished - pulling together the latest scientific info on global 
warming - is Six 
Degrees by Mark Lynas. MMY said before he died that we were guaranteed  heaven 
on 
earth - but something really huge has to happen to get change going on a 
worldwide scale 
- individually as well as collectively/politically - for humanity to survive.  
Anyway, Capra 
was ahead of his time.

--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "wayback71" <wayback71@> wrote:
> >
> > You mention the film Mindwalk.  I cannot find it on Netflix - 
> > has it just been released?
> 
> It is sadly one of the hardest films in the world
> to find. It was only released on VHS tape, never 
> on DVD, so your most likely source would be a 
> video store that has an "arty" side that still
> has a copy. I am privileged to have a copy made
> from VHS into a very grainy but watchable digital
> format. 
> 
> It stars Sam Waterston (as a politician who has
> just failed in his run for President), John Heard
> (a poet, a good one but who is just getting by),
> and Liv Ullmann (a physicist who can no longer
> work as a physicist because she cannot take her
> work being used to develop weapons). They meet
> while wandering around Mont Saint Michel in France,
> and the entire movie consists of their conversation
> as they walk around in that setting.
> 
> If you ever saw "My Dinner With Andre," think that
> level of conversation squared. Arguably the best
> intellectual, humanist conversation ever captured
> on film. Truly lovely and inspiring film. It was
> cowritten by Fritjof Capra and his brother Bernt,
> and directed by Bernt, based on ideas in Fritjof's
> book "The Turning Point."
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritjof_Capra
> 
> Good luck finding it. It came out in 1990, and it
> took me until last year to find my own copy. You
> might get lucky on Ebay, or on one of those sites
> where they sell off VHS tapes. It's well worth a
> watch when you find it.
> 
> > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "sandiego108" <sandiego108@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > <snip> 
> > > > > As far as I can tell, the universe is the 
> > > > > *cooperative* co-creation of all of the sentient
> > > > > beings that compose it. Each of them contributes
> > > > > a piece of the puzzle -- each perceiving and, on
> > > > > a quantum level, bringing realities into existence
> > > > > *by* perceiving -- but the puzzle itself has a 
> > > > > consensual existence beyond the individual 
> > > > > sentient beings. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The universe is not going to miss you when you
> > > > > are gone. And it won't go away. Therefore, you
> > > > > do not "create" it. You merely perceive it, and
> > > > > try to make sense of what you perceive. Again, I
> > > > > have *no problem* with what you perceive being
> > > > > totally different than what I perceive. But 
> > > > > neither what you perceive nor what I perceive
> > > > > constitutes the whole. It's just two points of
> > > > > view in a universe composed of the relationships
> > > > > between an infinite number of points of view.
> > > > 
> > > > What you are spinning here makes a lot of sense-- even could be
> seen 
> > > > as an answer to many questions, but I cannot buy off on it as
> Truth, 
> > > > something you regularly question yourself here.
> > > 
> > > Nor did I present it as Truth, or even truth.
> > > It is, like everything I say here, merely my
> > > opinion. My argument is NOT with you, Jim, or
> > > with the *perception* of Unity, if that is what
> > > you are really having, it's with imprecise lang-
> > > uage when trying to describe that perception.
> > > 
> > > The "New Age" tends to throw "create" around
> > > where they really mean "perceive." I think it's
> > > not a favor to either word, or to what they are
> > > trying to convey.
> > > 
> > > > I can't say for sure what you are saying is accurate-- might be and 
> > > > might not be. Sounds like a really good theory and belief to me- 
> > > > seriously.
> > > 
> > > Part of the last paragraph comes from the movie
> > > I was watching last night while I was typing it,
> > > Fritjof Capra and his brother's wonderful film
> > > "Mindwalk." Capra IS a physicist, and the author
> > > of "The Tao of Physics." He understands the rami-
> > > fications of quantum theory better than most. And
> > > while it may be "true" under quantum theory that
> > > an electron doesn't really exist in a fixed, meas-
> > > urable position in space until someone tries to
> > > measure it (and thus *perceives* it), the percep-
> > > tion DOES NOT "create" the electron. It has always
> > > already been present as a kind of sphere of poten-
> > > tialities and probabilities. All that the percep-
> > > tion of the scientist does is to "freeze" it mom-
> > > entarily in one position, *as if* it had been
> > > "created" there. But it was always already present
> > > in ALL positions around the nucleus. Perceiving it
> > > in one position around the nucleus didn't "create"
> > > it there.
> > > 
> > > My point is that is may *seem* as if we "create"
> > > the world when we perceive it, but I honestly do
> > > not think that this is the case. We perceive the
> > > world, and in so doing, "freeze" a part of an 
> > > infinite number of potentialities and probabilities
> > > into a momentary configuration. That momentary 
> > > configuration "fights it out" with the momentary
> > > configurations perceived by billions and billions
> > > of other perceivers, and the result is what we
> > > call the world. But the world was not really
> > > "created" by any one of them, or even by all of
> > > them working together. It has always already been
> > > present, in a fluid, non-formed state of potentiality
> > > and probability.
> > > 
> > > Or not.  :-)
> > > 
> > > They're just theories, Jim.
> > >
> >
>



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