--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jun 14, 2005, at 8:16 AM, t3rinity wrote: > > > And above that, I know enough > > of the Vedic tradition to understand it in terms of these. IOW, if you > > are critzising a holy man (supposed he is holy of course, which no one > > knows for sure, neither to the positive nor to the negative), then you > > insult the gods, whom this person is walking with. Thats why in India > > people are careful of Sadhus. You shouldn't insult one, even if they > > are weird. It's not that *they* want anything bad to you then (as they > > maybe beyond ego) but there are entities feeling very protective about > > them, whom you call on then. > > I guess it depends what you mean by "Vedic tradition".
That's very clear: It's the Parampara Guru line, the succession of teachers, e.g. in the Shankara tradition > "The Vedas prohibit the sale of God in any form. It says: O mighty Lord > of countless wealth, I will not sell thee for any price (Rigved > 8.01.05). The role of a guru is that of a guide and a giver, and not of > a taker. Sure, but your argumentation stands on weak feet, because 1) God isn't sold nor cannot be sold. (btw. all the craftsmen doing Temple idols don#t do it for free. It's an honorable profession) 2) Of course something is given. If you never got it, maybe you never tried it. If I go to India, it also costs me 1000 to 2000 Euros. And if I visit any holy man or woman, s/he expects most likely a dakshina from me. 3) The Upanishads are full of quotes showing that material items had to be given to the respective teachers, like firewood, which surely at that time wasn't just symbolic, and cows. > There are four categories of gurus: a false guru, guru, Sadguru, and > Param guru. In this age too many false gurus are coming to teach (or > give a mantra) for a price. These false gurus are the merchants of > mantra. They take money from disciples to fulfill their personal > material needs without giving the Taartamya-vidyaa, or Brahm-jnaan, the > true knowledge of Brahm. Yeah, but just a big assumption and judgement. E.g. Maharishi shifts money from the west to India, to built schools and give people free instruction into meditation. > Saint Tulasidaas said that a guru who takes > money (or any form of Sevaa from the disciples and does not remove > their ignorance of metaphysics goes to hell (Tulasi Raamaayan 7.98.04) Well, that wouldn't be your problem then. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
