--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jun 22, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Hugo wrote: > > > all off the search, I've found it. Case dismissed and, > > I have to say, quite rightly so. > > > > I should have added ayurveda to my list of things the > > TMO should be testing (or rather independent people > > should be testing). The thing that gets me riled the > > most is the cancer curing claims made for amrit kalash. > > There haven't, as far as I know, been any tests done > > on humans with this stuff and yet it is routinely > > prescribed in large doses to people with terminal > > cancer. I have known two people who died after being > > reommended the wonder gloop, both of whom had a long > > slow miserable death. > > We've talked about this before here Hugo. One of the disturbing things > is the blank slate recommendation of Amrit Kalash in patients > undergoing chemo and radiation therapy, to make them more > "comfortable". The disturbing thing is that one of the primary > ingredients in Amrit Kalash paste is the Indian fruit, "amla" (emblica > officinalis). Amla is a fruit that has over a thousand times the free- > radical scavenging activity that vitamin C has. But that's not the > disturbing part. The disturbing part is that this will interfere with > certain mechanisms of tumor necrosis. In other words, they potentially > shunt the effectiveness of Oncological radiation therapy and certain > chemotherapies whose mechanism of action is free radical damage.
Thanks for the info, I'm glad others have noticed this, it's rare to get people in the TMO to comment on anything that flies in the face of the recieved wisdom. Usually things are rationalised in some way like it's your karma or you have a bad chart. Or. most likely, not talked about at all. > Imagine having a tumor or tumors growing throughout your body then > being giving treatment to destroy those specific tissues--but then > because a guru authority figure (or his followers) suggest false > information on an "Ayurvedic snakeoil", you unknowingly forestall your > own therapy and reduce or eliminate it's real effectiveness by taking > the recommended herbal preparation. What happens? You do not heal: you > die a slow death. I know someone doing just this and I really feel for them, it will be too late if they don't go to a proper doctor soon. A big risk to take but faith is powerful. I've said they should maybe try both chemo and ayurveda just so they can get some help but it sounds like that might not work either. I find that I can't criticise them too much, they are so steeped in the belief system and sound so convinced they are doing the right thing for themselves, even though it's life and death you have to respect peoples right to do their own thing. All I can do is offer an opinion. I think there is a crime being committed here. > When I make the claim that the Maharishi has blood on his hands, this > is one of the reasons (above and beyond the suicides, etc.). IMO, > those members of the TM org or it's zealous followers, who recommend > these herbal products without proper knowledge of tumor necrosis > mechanisms and the corresponding mechanisms of the herbal compounds > themselves should be brought up on charges of practicing medicine > without a license, at the very least. Another case that you might have heard about ayurveda is the mercury poisoning somebody had from MAV products bought in India, they are currently suing the TMO, haven't heard anymore about it but shall copy it over if I hear anything new. Strangely enough, an old girlfriend of mine had a friend who was a real TMer, been on Mother Divine and lived the whole movement thing, right diet, channel on all day etc etc. She got mercury poisoning about ten years ago. I was amazed that someone as clean living could have got ill like that. It seemed a genuine puzzle, I guess I know now. I don't know how the sorry tale ended because I lost contact with my friend. But unbelievable eh? > Ruth, perhaps if your listening you could chime in on this one. >
