--- In [email protected], "Hugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "Hugo" <richardhughes103@> 
> > wrote:

> > 
> > In any case, two TMO-related organizations *did*
> > sue Andrew Skolnick for that disgraceful muck-
> > raking article he wrote for JAMA, and that certainly
> > must have been with blessings from the top.
> 
> Sued successfully?
> 
> The only story by Skolnick I can find in JAMA is
> the one about Chopra and co lying about having
> financial intertsts in ayurveda. This one in fact:
> 
> http://www.skeptictank.org/gs/sci603.htm
> 
> Doesn't sound like muckraking to me. Maybe he has 
> expectations borne of experience about how researchers
> should conduct themselves. Perhaps this is a case of 
> your opinion clouding judgement? Happens a lot round
> here I've noticed. I've commented myself that the TMO
> often seems to use science as a marketing tool and isn't 
> really interested in whether the claims it makes are 
> true or not, and that is something I worked out over 
> many years, not an unreasoned rant. Quantum physics and 
> jyotish anyone? 
> 
> I would like to know what happened in court with 
> Skolnick though.
> 

Call off the search, I've found it. Case dismissed and,
I have to say, quite rightly so.

I should have added ayurveda to my list of things the
TMO should be testing (or rather independent people 
should be testing). The thing that gets me riled the 
most is the cancer curing claims made for amrit kalash.
There haven't, as far as I know, been any tests done 
on humans with this stuff and yet it is routinely
prescribed in large doses to people with terminal
cancer. I have known two people who died after being
reommended the wonder gloop, both of whom had a long
slow miserable death. What justification is there for
this? A study showing cancer cells are destroyed in
a petri dish, what they don't mention is that bodies
behave somewhat differently and one result cannot be
infered from the other. Didn't stop the TMO though 
did it? Shame it isn't illegal to refuse medical help
in favour of untested folk medicine. The fact that it's
time-tested wisdom of the vedas cuts no ice with me,
it works or it doesn't.

Judy, a serious question: Given that you're into 
fighting for truth and justice and all that shouldn't
you be on Skolnicks side in this? Far from muckraking
he was making some serious points about medical 
quackery that should be exposed. How much of ayurvedic
medicine has actually been double-blind tested and 
independently at that?


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