--- In [email protected], "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], off_world_beings <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "geezerfreak" <geezerfreak@> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], off_world_beings no_reply@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected] , Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:02 AM, do.rflex wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Bullshit. Mugabe has been a tyrant and a killer since at least > > 1980. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---Mugabe rose to prominence in the 1960s as the Secretary > > general > > > > of > > > > > > the Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU). For many years in > > the > > > > 60s > > > > > > and 70s Mugabe was a political prisoner in Rhodesia. His goal > > was to > > > > > > replace white minority-rule with one-party Marxist regime. [2] He > > > > left > > > > > > Rhodesia in 1976 to join the Zimbabwe Liberation Struggle > > (Rhodesian > > > > > > Bush War) from bases in Mozambique. The war ended in 1979; > > emerging > > > > > > from this conflict, Mugabe was hailed by Africans as a > > hero.[3][4] > > > > He > > > > > > won the general elections of 1980, the first in which the > > majority > > > > > > black Africans participated, amid reports of violent > > intimidation by > > > > > > the militant freedom fighters he now controlled. Mugabe then > > became > > > > > > the first Prime Minister of black-ruled Zimbabwe after calling > > for > > > > > > reconciliation between formerly warring parties, including the > > white > > > > > > people as well as rival parties. > > > > > > > > > > > > The early years of Mugabe's rule saw killings targeting the > > Ndebele > > > > > > tribe in the Matabeleland and Midlands areas of Zimbabwe. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since 1998 Mugabe's policies have increasingly elicited domestic > > and > > > > > > international denunciation. His government pursued a costly > > > > > > intervention in the Second Congo War, expropriated thousands of > > > > > > white-owned farms, printed hundreds of trillions of Zimbabwean > > > > dollars > > > > > > triggering hyperinflation,[5] and has been accused of harassing > > and > > > > > > intimidating political opponents, particularly members of the > > > > Movement > > > > > > for Democratic Change.[6] Zimbabwe's economy spiraled > > downward,[7] > > > > > > with food and oil shortages,[8] and with massive internal > > > > > > displacement[9] and emigration.[10] During this period Mugabe's > > > > > > policies have been denounced in the West and at home as racist > > > > against > > > > > > Zimbabwe's white minority. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll never forget a couple of years ago a picture I saw in the > > > > > newspaper of a slain Brit. expat. farmer lying dead--with his Jack > > > > > Russell Terrier who survived, cuddled up next to his masters dead > > > > > body. Vigilantes, jealous of the white farmers went in and killed > > > > > many of the farmers or forced them to flee with the idea to take > > over > > > > > their farms and supposedly the money they were making. The people > > > > > ended up being so uneducated they didn't even know how to operate > > the > > > > > farms and now the farms have been taken over by ovegrowth. Such > > > > > appalling ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll never forget a couple of years ago a picture I saw in the > > newspaper > > > > of slain Iraqi children lying dead--with their mother alone beside > > them. > > > > Americans, mad with arrogance, went in and killed hundreds of > > thousands, > > > > or forced them to flee with the idea to take over their oil and > > > > supposedly the money they were making. The people ended up being so > > > > uneducated they didn't even know how to operate the oil business and > > now > > > > the oil fields have been taken over by groups aligned to the > > > > dictatorship in Iran. Such appalling ignorance. > > > > > > > > OffWorld > > > > > > > I agree with you here Off. But you're completely missing the point. No > > one is defending > > > the massively corrupt actions of US foreign policy these last years. > > (No one with half a > > > brain that is.) > > > > > > But what does that have to do with MMY praising a brutal dictator? >> > > > > He praised all leaders and non-leaders, he never denounced anyone up > > until about 2002, He even praised brutal dicatators such as Reagan, Bush > > Snr. You didn't complain about that support do you. > > > > Reagan and Bush Snr. and other American regimes are the ones that sold > > WMD's to Iraq, upheld - at gun point - the Saudi dictatorship, brought > > down the democratically elected President of Iran, and helped the > > Ayotollas get in power, and they are the ones that got Mugabe to go nuts > > due to their interference everywhere - and the British too. Mugabe saw > > he was being manipulated by the corporate greed of the West and just > > went overboard. The most brutal dictaros are the corporations that > > dominate "corrupt democracy" as Maharishi called it. > > > > In addition, there are SOOOooo many brutal dictators that the US put in > > power that it is hard to put them all in one post. > > > > OffWorld > > As a matter of fact Off I did complain about MMY saying ANYTHING about politics.
This of course is the whole point. Maharishi had an obligation to keep his mouth shut about politics. TM is/was supposed to be for everybody: conservative, liberal, communist, capitalist, and everybody in between...that's what makes it so great. As such, the organisation that is responsible for teaching and perpetuating this universal non-denominational teaching must maintain a non-partisanship in all things religious, philosophical, and political. To do otherwise is to, by inference, exclude some and dissuade some from starting and practising TM. The whole silly exercise with the NLP was a violation of the principle of "TM is not a religion or a philosophy" and further degraded Maharishi's and the TMO brand and credibility. People aren't stupid. When you tell them TM is universal and then go about being partisan, they remember. > I didn't > vote for Reagan or either Bush and don't disagree with your assesment US foreign policy. > > Again, you're missing the point and trying to divert the issue which is that MMY praised a > brutal dictator Mugabe, So, answer the question Off: Was MMY correct in praising > Mugabe? >
