--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > There is a substantial group of the 'newly awakened' here writing 
> > > on FFL, willing to stick their necks out. How many of them are 
> > > still closely associated with the TMO? 
> > 
> > And there is a good reason for this.  If they had 
> > started having "good experiences" and tried to talk
> > about them within the TMO, what would have happened
> > to them?  Among the teachers, even the teachers of
> > so-called advanced techniques, there is no one who
> > has been trained to deal with such experiences.  In
> > the general milieu, the "We don't speak about our
> > experiences" dogma has been interpreted as "Anyone 
> > who does is delusional and should be put down and 
> > shunned."
> 
> 
> In the contextof the TMO, anyone who discusses enlightenment is "off 
> the program"...
> 
> > 
> > It's actually very sad.  And in answer to some of the
> > people who have asked me why, since I walked away from
> > the TMO 25 years ago, I hang out at this place, it's
> > because Rick has provided a forum in which it is OK
> > to talk about such things.  When it all comes down,
> > there is nothing meaningful we can say about enlight-
> > enment itself.  *By definition* it cannot be described.
> > But we can talk about our particular path, and the
> > adventures we have had along that path, and share with 
> > others our own subjective experiences, in an ongoing 
> > attempt to understand them, or even to come to grips
> > with them.
> > 
> > For me, that's a rare and unique opportunity, not just
> > within the environment of the TMO, but within any
> > spiritual group.  I think it's a neat thing.  Others
> > are threatened by it.  Go figure.
> > 
> > Unc

Now, look at spraig's statement carefully:

In the context of the TMO, anyone who discusses enlightenment is "off 
the program"...

In the midst of an organization supposedly formed to promote and
produce enlightmnent it's off the program to discuss it? What did
George Orwell call it in "1984"? Double-speak? "I'm so glad I'm not an
Alpha" - oops that's another book.

JohnY 





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