--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote: > > >> In many traditions one checks ones View, their inner > >> experience and POV > >> with a teacher who's 'been there, done that'. I > >> can't tell you how many > >> people I've met who thought they were enlightened > >> after a certain > >> experience or shift in awareness. In every case the > >> experience was a > >> symptom of some part of awakening or some aspect of > >> the Path. In the > >> first part of my training a portion was on people > >> who will report > >> instances of enlightenment after practicing certain > >> practices, so there > >> is a practical literature out there on this very > >> topic, it's just not > >> generally discussed outside the tradition (let alone > >> on email lists). > >> > >> -V. > > > > Yes, what is usually discussed on an e-mail list are > > peoples' mental models of enlightenment and how wrong > > you are if you don't express your experience of > > enlightenment within the confines of my mental model. > > Yeah, but that should not be used as an excuse to not debate or engage > in rigorous intellectual learning. It turns out, these are an essential > part of creating a framework where true enlightenment can manifest. > Consider some sects of Tibetan Buddhist monks--they will spend half > their lives in meditation, but the other half in rigorous debate. The > reason is it is important to have that debate in order to create a > fertile ground for the non-conceptual to take lasting root. This is > especialy true in the era we live in today. In fact, it is these > accumulations of good karma that allow that to happen. In New Age forms > of eastern spirituality this is often discouraged. Depending on the > path, this might be a warning sign that either the teacher does not > know the path as he claims or there simply isn't a path to > enlightenment being taught--that is, it's a false path and/or false > View. > > As an example, before one learns the YS, one is taught what > intellectual knowledge one must gain for the system to work and what > virtues one must accumulate. As a further example, there are certain > experiences one needs to accumulate *before* some siddhis can manifest > (in this case accomplishment siddhis, not "yogic" siddhis).
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