--- In [email protected], "shanti2218411" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> ---Actually I think your response makes my point since for you my
> description of my experience of unboundedbess changing"isn't
> really real,but really clever" while on the other hand I think my
> experience of unboundedness has changed in the way I 
described.However
> the way I described this change apparently doesn't make sense to you
> and therefore doesn't seem "real" to you.Which of course points out
> the difficulty if not the futility of trying to describe changes in
> the experience of conciousness.I think this is one of the reasons 
why
> its probably a good idea not to say too much about your expereinces.
> Kevin
> 

My response was a passing reference to:
> > >  In [email protected], "jyouells2000" 
> > > a real task though (OSF). Even among those who write, intuition 
is
> > > still necessary to separate the real from the merely clever.
>


 
> 
> 
> In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "shanti2218411" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > ---Part of the problem of sharing expereince is that when 
someone
> > > tries to share their experience they must do so through their
> > > interpretative system.Futher complicating this is tha fact that 
> > terms
> > > like unboundedness may mean one thing to one person and 
something 
> > else
> > > to another person(even if they are using the same interpretative
> > > system).Infact in my own case the experience which I have called
> > > unboundedness has changed over time so that what I meant by 
that 
> > term
> > > 10 yrs ago is not the same as what I meant by it now ie at 
first it
> > > seemed to me that the mind was unbounded and now it seems like 
the
> > > unbounded(awareness)is other than the mind.Kevin
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > My intuition is that this isn't really real, but really clever.
> > 
> > Just thought that I'd make that distinction, really.
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  In [email protected], "jyouells2000" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > Either I have had CC episodes and won't admit to them, or 
I 
> > > > > haven't. 
> > > > > > If I have, then my comments might make sense to others 
who 
> > have had 
> > > > > > CC episodes. If I haven't, then perhaps they won't.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > My question to YOU: why do YOU care whether or not I have 
had 
> > such 
> > > > > > episodes?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Speaking only for myself, I'm 'way past the point 
> > > > > where I pay attention to people who are merely
> > > > > repeating what they have been told about enlight-
> > > > > enment.  I'm only interested in people's personal
> > > > > experiences with it, and comparing them to my own.
> > > > > 
> > > > Unc - boy does that ring a bell with me. Reading and hearng 
direct
> > > > accounts is what interests me too. Getting those people to 
talk 
> > can be
> > > > a real task though (OSF). Even among those who write, 
intuition is
> > > > still necessary to separate the real from the merely clever. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > JohnY




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