--- In [email protected], "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But its all mud and its all water, so... > > > ...so the teaching or the use of any technique designed to clear up > awareness is just a waste of time?
No, but attempts to figure out what is awareness and what isn't via the intellect sure seem to be... > > > > > --- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Or, put another way, what makes pure awareness become not > > > > > so pure? > > > > > > > > > > Rick Carlstrom > > > > > > It gets "lost" or muddled in the shuffle of perception, thinking, > > > daily life. to use a knee-jerk but experientially valid analogy, > > when > > > mud is added to water, the water is still pure, its just muddied > up. > > > The purity is not apparrent. If the water is filtered, it is > still > > pure. > > > > > > Pure awareness is apparently pure (as opposed to apparently not > > pure) > > > either when the mud stops flowing into the river, or the muddied > > water > > > is filtered. > > > > > > I think both are experientially analogous to what occurs in > > > consciousness (amongst other things). > > > > > > Stopping the mud flows to me refers to resolving / healing the > > > vasanas. When vasanas are lively, the mind is a chatter box of > > > thoughts and inner diolgue -- often concerning the past for > future. > > > When these seeds in the storehouse of impressions (chitta) are > > > resolved, life goes on but the blaring boom box of monkey-mind > > chatter > > > is not there. The water is not churned up and muddied. Awareness > is > > > more apparently pure, not muddled, muddy or whipped up in waves. > > > > > > The filter analogy to me experientially refers to a deepening of > > > Awareness so that even when mud is thrown into the water, > the "lake" > > > is deep enough so that the mud quickly sinks, dissipates. The > water, > > > Awareness is not noticably affected by the infusion of mud. its > this > > > quality that I see lacking in many reports of so called higher > > states. > > > And in some behaviors. > > > > > > More relevant analogies come to mind -- less muddy rivers flow > into > > > the lake (karma is purifed), ... but I will leave it with these > two > > > for now. However, I think there are a multitude of factors that > can > > > come into play to help keep the appearance of the water / > Awareness. > > > (Again, I say "appearance" because the water is always pure, it > just > > > does not appear to alwys be.) Many methods and techniques to > keep > > mud > > > ot, and to filter it when it is there. Thus given the paths and > > > techniques one has practiced, different mechanisms may be at > play in > > > giving rise to the common experience of Pure Awareness. And may > > > explain why descriptions and behaviors vary. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
