---Claudiouk,this is a good summary of my own POV.IMO a person's enlightenment can't be seperated from how they interpret it .The interpretation to some degree structures the experience. Kevin
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Still being one of those "waking state" seekers of "enlightenment" > myself, I would agree that I might be defensively attached to a > particular and no doubt limiting view and understandings of it. > However it does seem that people with "experiences" of enlightenment > in this forum, and more generally outside it, seem themselves > also "attached" to explanations or descriptions that don't correlate > much between eachother. For instance you have MMY followers using > typical TMO lingo, versus Buddhists finding no God or Self in > enlightenment as gainst Christian mystics whose expositions have > another character altogether. Could it be, I wonder sometimes, that > enlightenment is a real phenomenon but idiosyncratic, depending on > brain chemistry on one hand and cultural heritage on the other, and > there is no way of establishing the "superiority" of one claim > against another; also that we are dealing here ultimately with > purely "subjective" experiences and accounts, however lofty, sacred, > universal etc one might experience them as being "ultimate reality". > However unlike drug-induced experiences, "enlightenment" is a natural > human capacity and beneficial. > > , although aware of the and yes at times > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- shanti2218411 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > ---Actually I think your response makes my point > > > since for you my > > > description of my experience of unboundedbess > > > changing"isn't > > > really real,but really clever" while on the other > > > hand I think my > > > experience of unboundedness has changed in the way I > > > described.However > > > the way I described this change apparently doesn't > > > make sense to you > > > and therefore doesn't seem "real" to you.Which of > > > course points out > > > the difficulty if not the futility of trying to > > > describe changes in > > > the experience of conciousness.I think this is one > > > of the reasons why > > > its probably a good idea not to say too much about > > > your expereinces. > > > Kevin > > > > I see people reacting to reports of "spiritual" > > experiences in two ways. The first is healthy. The > > experiences inspire and can challenge the belief > > systems of the listener. Discussion can lead to a much > > deeper understanding of these experiences and the > > nature of evolution of consciousness. An authentic > > growth of understanding and insight has occurred. The > > other response is purely defensive. The experiences > > challenge the listeners belief system but there is so > > much invested in that belief system that they reject > > the experience outright. Unless experience conforms to > > the waking state model of enlightenment they are > > defensively attached to, it is invalid and the person > > is at best delusional and at worst intentionally > > sowing seeds of doubt (i.e., an agent of the "dark > > forces"). These people confuse their emotional > > investment in their belief system with divine > > "intuition". They never question their beliefs: > > they're fanatics. A possibly very dangerous place to > > be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/