--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: .Let's say you expect a friend to come, and you will > > associate the *feeling* with the present event. But the feeling will > > be reminescent of the stress being released according to 2nd day > > checking. > > I remember we were told it *might* pick up the > feeling, but it might not.
At your initiation, 2nd day checking? I must tell you that whatever you are being told is paraphrased. The teacher uses his own words. My notes say: (translated from german): 'The quality of the stress determines the quality of thought.' Then it gives the example I just had given, of the joy causing a stress in the past, and how the mind picks up the feeling and associates it with the coming of a friend. Whatever it associates it with is not important, obviously, it's arbitrary. My course was in July 1977, Avoriaz. I have been to an update 1981, redoing all the tests. There was no change. > This would have been > in 1975; I wonder if it was changed since your > TTC. > > <snip> > > Yes, understood. But in Indian terms, getting rid of Samskaras > > wouldn't necessitate reliving the energy of it. In Indian and I > guess > > Buddhist terms, Samskaras are desires or latent impressions giving > > rise to the desire to reincarnate. Purifying oneself of these > desires > > or impressions wouldn't necessitate living through it, not even > > emotionally or energetically. > > Well, but that's pretty much what I remember > being told in the TM context. You mean that you don't have to live through it? Yes and no. Obviously the feelings you have are not stressed in TM. The problem here is that TM (like scientology) assumes that the stresses are located physically. Thats not the same with the samskara theory. Therefore it assumes that you have to release them one by one, resulting in an appropriate experience. You sort of will experience them on their way out. I don't know if this can be said of Samskaras, I think not. > Not sure what you mean by "phantastic," I mean it positive. It serves its purpose towards our attitude towards thoughts in meditation. It gives you motivation to continue and a sense of progress, even if you have no special experiences. Thats positive, as perseverance in practise is looked upon as essential in all traditions. > but I > don't see how the TM model precludes instant > enlightenment. I didn't say it precludes instant enlightenment. I'd rather say it excludes it. TM people will not easily accept that it is possible to get enlightened, simply by making an innner recognition. The idea is always you have to release all the stresses one by one, and unless you do that you can't be enlightened. > I never thought it did. There's > more than one way to skin a cat. Of course. There are different ways and they aren't mutually exclusive either. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
