--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Similarely > > in TM the stresses are being released when the thought arises. I am > > not aware that in indian theory the arising of thought is seen as > > getting rid of Samkaras. I am not saying that it cannot work. I am > > just saying that I am not aware of such a source. > > > MMY never said that anyway. He said that stress is repaired during > the inward stroke of TM, and that thoughts arise as part of the > activity of repair. Yes, of course, Lawson I am familiar with the theory. I did not say that the arising of thought is the cause of stress release - but according to TM theory it is an inevitable result of it. That's not said anywhere in the Indian Samskar theory AFAIK. You probably mean to point out that in psychotherapy and I think Scn the re-experiencing of the stress is essential to its dissolution. You are right when you say this is different in TM. While in TM the thought is not the cause of stress-release, it still is its inevitable result. Thus TM differs with PT and Scn. But it still retains some feature of it, not as cause but as result - you experience the coming out. I am not aware that this is the same in Yogic theory. Its the idea of catharsis. Its western. There is purification in Indian yogic systems, but it doesn't mean there that you have to go through some aspect of the same experience, neither as cause nor as a result. At least I am not aware of any such theory. Which doesn't make it false of course. Just because you choose to apply the term 'Samskara' to stresses. I don't know if the movement does so. If it does so, anyway its connecting modern western theories with ancient indian ones. There can't be doubt about that. > If there was no repair to be made (no samskaras > left), no repair activity occur. The mental experience of the repair- > activity during TM is mental activity of some kind. IOW its the cause. Here in TM theory stress-release is the cause. In indian theory the samskaras themselves, (and not their release) would be the cause of any desire or thought activity. > I don't think that > > it's bad to get inspired and influenced by other contemporary > > movements. But personaly I wouldn't be too rigit about this > > thought=stressrelease theory. It's helpful, but its also a trap. You > > get rid of Samskaras in TM. But it's not one to one with the > thoughts > > arising IMO. you have to distinguish of a theory being helpful to > keep > > a certain process going - as an explanation, to not resist thoughts > or > > force oneself, and it being *literally* true. An elephant has two > > kinds of teeth, two to show and two to chew. > > > > I don't see why it can't be "literally" true, given the proper > refinement of definitions in response to physiological research. Scientific research doesn't speak of samskaras for one thing. It doesn't speak of enlightenment either. So the idea, that you sort of have a basket, full of stresses and resistences which you just have to empty in order to be enlightened is not a scientific one. You always make the mistake of imaginig some future research and then making conclusions from there. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
