sparaig wrote: >--- In [email protected], Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Vaj wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Jun 25, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Rick Archer wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I also find that some >>>>gentle attentiveness vs. allowing the mind to just mess around >>>> >>>> >makes a > > >>>>big >>>>difference in terms of clarity and frequency of transcending. >>>> >>>>At Estes Park, M quoted the Vedas as saying, "Be easy to us with >>>> >>>> >gentle > > >>>>effort." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>And indeed this very simple attentiveness--or mindfulness--is one >>> >>> >of > > >>>the key antidotes to laxity and torpor. But of course this is not >>>taught as part of TM, it's sad Rick that this is buried in some >>> >>> >old > > >>>tape and not integrated into practice. I don't know about you, but >>> >>> >I've > > >>>met a good number of meditators who ended up being drained by such >>>torpor. Laxity is believed to be a intentional mental process >>> >>> >where the > > >>>meditative object (in this case Self or mantra) is not perceived >>> >>> >with > > >>>vividness. Once meditation reaches the "effortless" stage (where >>> >>> >one > > >>>simply sits and can transcend for at least an hour at a time with >>> >>> >no > > >>>breaks) this tends to disappear as delusion is dissolved. Without >>>mindfulness and some forcefulness its hard if not impossible to >>> >>> >get to > > >>>the deeper levels of meditation. I always liked the analogy of >>>Shakyamuni of having the lute strings 'not to tight or not to >>> >>> >loose'; > > >>>that's just how mindfulness is. >>> >>>It's said that if torpor is not conquered, ones intelligence will >>>decrease. Now there'd be an interesting scientific study! :-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Doing japa with a mala or counting with the fingers often helps >>mindfulness and increases the intensity of the meditation. >> >> > >But is not TM... > > > Yea, well you don't tell beginners to sit in siddhasana too but that was a recommendation for Sidhi techniques (at least on some courses). Actually in the meditation technique I teach if the beginning student can sit in siddhasana on the floor it is highly recommended and we also have them do a brief simple pranayam before meditating. The initiation is also accompanied by shaktipat.
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