--- In [email protected], t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Doesn't the Gita also say that there are no marks by which you > > could recognize an enlightened? > > Ooops, I was probably thinking of II.54, but it doesn't really > negate any signs of recognition as I thought. Why did I remember > this? Is this somewhere stated in MMY's commentary? (I don't have > MMY's Gita anymore)
"This verse [II:55] does not record any outer sign of the man whose intellect is steady and who is established in the Self, because there cannot be any outer sign ot show that a man is absorbed deep within himself. The inner state of such a man cannot be judged by outer signs. It cannot be said that he sits like this or like that or closes his eyes in any particular manner. No such external signs can serve as criteria of this state....The Lord does not enter into any such description. The signs recounted here are only subjective. They concern the inner condition of the mind...." In your earlier post, you continued: > > And then *after* that first statement go on > > to give a whole list of psychological and moralic features? My > > impression is that the Gita gives first the highest Truth, that > > there is no way enlightenment can be limited/defined etc. And > > then gives lower truth about the type of behaviour that is more > > conducive for the aspirant to gain this state. Not in that section (II:54-72). It's all about the subjective experience, at least in MMY's translation/interpretation. But then one of MMY's hobbyhorses is that scriptures have been interpreted as PREscriptive of behavior conducive to enlightenment when they're actually DEscriptive of one who *is* enlightened--i.e., cause and effect got reversed once knowledge of effortless transcending had been lost. Maybe what you're recalling is a different translation that takes this approach? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
