--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jun 27, 2005, at 10:07 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> On Jun 27, 2005, at 9:03 AM, sparaig wrote: > >> > >>> You have no idea what "accumulations of merit and wisdom" the > > long-term > >>> witnessing folk show. > >> > >> Then tell. I'm listening. > > > > > > Researchers at MUM had subjects fill out various forms, and tested > > their EEG and other physiological parameters and correlated test > > scores with physiology measures and long-termness of TM practice. > > > > Oh yeah, heard plenty of stuff like this. I thought you meant something > new.
Published last year. Reasonably new > > I see a number of problems with this approach--one is, 'is this a > random sample of meditators, either in general or in the long-term > group?'. Of course we know they are not being chosen by a unbiased > researcher. They were volunteers all (TMer and non) from Fairfield IA. The other problem is that on ANYONE in the TM paradigm, > they have been indoctrinated that TM does this and good reporting would > be good, saying anything bad would be going against everything we/they > stand for. Consequently these subjects well know that they should > report certain good experiences even cached in a certain wording. In > other words they been coached by the very nature paradigm to provide > certain answers. The researchers discuss this. They point out that the short term (average 8 years) and long-term (average 22 years) meditating groups both had enough time to absorb rhetoric and expectations but had distinctly different modes of describing their internal landscape. Also, both the EEG/physiology measures and the test-scores (not interviews) are highly correlated with the short-term/long-term-ness of the meditators. > > Not very convincing, but always interesting As with all pilot studies, more research is needed, but I think the researchers address many/most of your objections. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
