--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jst...@...> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Duveyoung <no_reply@> wrote: > <snip> > > The best candidate for something truly effortless was > > when once the mantra was started "it repeated itself" > > without one feeling like one had had a hand in the > > continuing of the repetition. To me, this is merely > > "less effort, not effortlessness," and it masks that > > the "background intent" of the person to "do mantra," > > was obviously also "working," and was there to jump in > > when one noticed that the mantra had been lost, once > > again, amongst the "pandemonium" of the ordinary > > thinking process. Meditation is not simply taking > > the mantra, it is much more like tending a garden and > > knowing how to keep the weeds from growing next to > > the flowers. > > See, now, I don't agree with everything Edg says > here, but it would never occur to me to wonder > whether he'd ever done TM or understood what it > involved. He and I have somewhat different > experiences and somewhat different understandings > of the TM process, but we're both clearly *talking > about TM*. > > Vaj is not. >
Well I object to the above description as well, because one can start to think the mantra without noticing and then cease to think the mantra without noticing and only be aware of passage of time by contrast with the outside world where the car that was passing is not any more, and yet you weren't asleep and didn't fall over or dream or whatever. Lots of edge cases. L.
