--- In [email protected], "Robert" <babajii...@...> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "Robert" <babajii_99@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It just occurred to me (tangentially) that part > > > > > of the confusion between TM and other mantra > > > > > meditation techniques has to do with the erroneous > > > > > equation of these two principles: > > > > > > > > > > --It's better to go back to the mantra if > > > > > you realize you're thinking something > > > > > other than the mantra. > > > > > > > > > > --It's better to be thinking the mantra > > > > > than thinking something other than the > > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > > > > These are seemingly almost identical statements, > > > > > but the distinction is crucial. In the case of TM, > > > > > the first applies, but not the second. > > > > > > > > > > > > But in both cases there is the quality > > > > of "better." > > > > > > > > Pursuing that "better" by coming back > > > > to the mantra involves intention. > > > > > > > > And it involves it whether you believe > > > > statement #1 or statement #2. If you > > > > did not believe in that "better," there > > > > would be no reason to come back to the > > > > mantra. But you DO believe it, so you > > > > have the intention to come back to it. > > > > > > > > Thank you, Judy, for having made the > > > > case for TM being intentional. > > > > > > > The case for intentionality is well made... > > > What is ever done which is not from intention? > > > Intention is the seed of manifestation. > > > So, yes, we intend to sit and meditate or how else could you sit and > > > meditate. > > > You intend to get something to eat; how else would you get something to > > > eat. > > > The whole nature of TM and the TM-Sidhis, is to refine intention. > > > As intention is refined we begin to be aware of subltety... > > > And the more subtle the observation, the more truth will be contained > > > there, because it is close to the source. > > > We are all longing for and striving toward being connected to 'Source > > > Energy', our true nature... > > > That's all it is, no matter how complicated you wish to make it, the > > > simpler the better. > > > R.G. > > > > > > > > > Its the pink elephant of hte mind. Don't ever think of it: make it the > > least desired > > element in your mind--the same as making it the most desired element, or > > almost least desired or almost most desired. > > > > > > It's a fine balance of intent and not-intent, of desire and not-desire, of > > effort and not effort. > > > > No effort, intent or desire is REQUIRED.... > > > > But to worry about having none at all is silly as well. > > > > > > L. > > > I still say that there is an original intention in TM to: > Begin to think the mantra, as effortlessly as we think any other thought... > So, we begin by intending to think the mantra effortlessly...
But I don't always intend to start TM and yet I often do, in teh right circumstances. Where's the intent in that? > And we subtley have been taught to think the mantra in an effortless way, > after the initiation process, which sets the angle of effortlessness of > repition of the mantra... Sure but true effortlessness isn't an angle. DOn't take the analogy too far. > The mantra tends to slip away, and you experienced what is meant by > effortlessness. > So, it is both: beginning the intention to meditate like instructed, and > letting the process go by itself, always coming back to the mantra with the > intention of effortlessness... no need to intend to be effortless. That's as subtle a trap as any other. > With practice the intention of effortlessness, becomes more refined... COuld be... Or maybe not. > We are always impressed by effortlessness, BTW... > In athletics or politics or music or whatever, we admire the genius, when > what appears to be difficult or creative, seems to happen gracefully, > elegantly, without effort... > So, effortlessness, would also be a quality of genius, or enlightenment. > R.G. > Could be or maybe not. Worrying about how effortless TM is is as futile as worrying about effortful it is. No effort required. Effortlessness not required either. L.
