--- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
> > You are semi right here Rory. I was the first to mention Kerry  
when 
> defining 
> > the word casualty. I said the word casualty didn't necessarily  
mean 
> death 
> > but could be any wound needing medical attention requiring just 
a  
> band aid to a 
> > death certificate. The Kerry comment about his purple hearts was  
an 
> example 
> > of how minor a casualty statistic could be.
> 
> Right you are! To which Judy replied (IIRC) to the effect that in 
this 
> context, casualties clearly meant deaths.
> 
>  I would still  like to see hard 
> > numbers about civilian casualties in Iraq and what  the extent if 
> the casualty 
> > was. 
> 
> So would I.
> 
> I would also like to know how many casualties  are attributed to 
> > terrorists resisting the will of the Iraqi people to set up a  
> democracy.
> 
> These last appear to be somewhat loaded terms. Are permanent 
American 
> bases in Iraq part of "the will of the Iraqi people to set up a 
> democracy?" Is one man's "freedom-fighter" another's "terrorist"? 
Is 
> it a democracy if it is brought in from the outside on the point of 
a 
> gun? It certainly doesn't sound like freedom, at any rate. It 
*does* 
> sound rather like an expansion of an American oil-empire, however :-
)

Oil is a medium/short-term issue. The REAL issue is having bases in a 
non-fundamentalist country (like Saudi Arabia) in the Middle East to 
apply political/military pressure against China (and now India).




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