--- In [email protected], "Richard J. Williams" <willy...@...> 
wrote:
>
> > > When Dick Cheney was Vice-President, there was 
> > > not a single successful attack by terrorists on 
> > > U.S. soil.
> > > 
> enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> > er...there was this one minor incident, referred 
> > to as '911'...
> >
> When Dick Cheney was Vice-President, there was not 
> a single successful attack by terrorists on U.S. 
> soil after 9/11.
>

Dick Cheney is a disgrace. He mislead us into war with Iraq, sanctioned "harsh 
interrogation techniques" (read torture) and he brings shame to our country 
every time he claims such techniques prevented further attacks. Bottom line: 
torture does not work. Today Ali Soufan, a former FBI investigator and 
interrogator who went undercover as an al Qaida operative, testified to the 
Senate Judiciary Committee. Soufan's closing statement:

    "In summary, the Informed Interrogation Approach outlined in the Army Field 
Manual is the most effective, reliable, and speedy approach we have for 
interrogating terrorists. It is legal and has worked time and again.

    It was a mistake to abandon it in favor of harsh interrogation methods that 
are harmful, shameful, slower, unreliable, ineffective, and play directly into 
the enemy's handbook. It was a mistake to abandon an approach that was working 
and naively replace it with an untested method. It was a mistake to abandon an 
approach that is based on the cumulative wisdom and successful tradition of our 
military, intelligence, and law enforcement community, in favor of techniques 
advocated by contractors with no relevant experience.

    The mistake was so costly precisely because the situation was, and remains, 
too risky to allow someone to experiment with amateurish, Hollywood style 
interrogation methods- that in reality- taints sources, risks outcomes, ignores 
the end game, and diminishes our moral high ground in a battle that is 
impossible to win without first capturing the hearts and minds around the 
world. It was one of the worst and most harmful decisions made in our efforts 
against al Qaeda.

    For the last seven years, it was not easy objecting to these methods when 
they had powerful backers. I stood up then for the same reason I'm willing to 
take on critics now, because I took an oath swearing to protect this great 
nation. I could not stand by quietly while our country's safety was endangered 
and our moral standing damaged."

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