A movement going? Time is now for Hagelin to extend himself personally and to go amongst the people of the meditating movement?
Like that historical `Excellency', Geo. Washington pleading for cause as enlistments of a whole army were over on a last hour: "My brave fellows, you have done all I asked you to do, and more than could be reasonably expected, but your country is at stake, your wives, your houses, and all that you hold dear. You have worn yourselves out with fatigues, and hardships, but we know not how to spare you. If you will consent to stay one month longer, you will render that service to the cause of liberty, and to your country, which you can probably never do under any other circumstance." An army then stayed and a revolution then won. A movement and teaching now? > > Two more leaving FF. Saying good-bye. Heading off. In line to order lunch > today at Revelations, ran into 2 more leaving. These last folks were here > for 11 years this time. This makes running in to 9 people in the last week or > so who are leaving. A movement going? > > > > > > Thanks Hugo, thoughtful response. These are all parts of it. I do wish > > them well and hope for the best for them. > > > > The TMmovement won't come to an end any time soon or move away from > > Fairfield tomorrow. Nor is the larger meditating community of Fairfield > > going anywhere soon. Yet the TMovement evidently is in a chronic defense > > mode from its own scorched -earth policy and guidelines which date back > > some years. They've behaved badly some. > > > > They have made their own kind of trouble in their way of being. > > Kind of isolated now in the market place and from a lot of their meditating > > community otherwise with their own kind of spiritual arrogance. > > > > All in all, FF is still extremely vital as a spiritual place to be in. Is > > Fairfieldlife. Is a pretty special place that way. > > > > > > -Doug in FF > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "hugheshugo" <richardhughes103@> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "dhamiltony2k5" <dhamiltony2k5@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Folks saying good-bye. The last few days I learned that five long-time > > > > friends are leaving Fairfield now. From different circles. Long-time > > > > meditators. From different parts of the meditating community. > > > > > > > > Used to be folks figured how to come to FF to be in the domes for group > > > > meditation . The sacrifice and excitment was about being in the domes > > > > meditating in group. > > > > > > > > Seems lot of you writing here don't seem to live close to Fairfield. > > > > Some kind of interest in Fairfieldlife but not living here in FF. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not being here you may not see the complexion of the meditating > > > > community in FF. Fact is there are a lot more FF meditators in town > > > > outside of the domes than inside the domes. With people out and dome > > > > numbers chronically down, that gathering impetus is less. Has been for > > > > some while. Too many turned out who are here as meditators is a number > > > > that does eats at the dome community. An administrative problem > > > > evidently that is the status quo. > > > > > > > > > > I can see why you'd be annoyed at the TMO screwing up the > > > running of the domes and people leaving town because of it, > > > but you do have to see the TMOs side of it, they are a > > > fundamentalist religious sect and like all religions they > > > do practise a "No other God but me" approach to their > > > gatherings. And you can see why, if people go about saying > > > that such and such Guru is just as good as Marshy then people > > > might start asking questions like "Could I be doing better > > > with my choice of meditation?" and they don't want that! > > > > > > The trouble is the TMO insists that it's a secular group and > > > the stuff about doing puja to Hindu Gods is really just > > > "enlivening aspects of the laws of nature". People are genuinely > > > fooled by that and actually act as though they aren't religious > > > despite the fact they do yoga and meditation for hours every day, > > > follow a prescribed diet and even say grace before every meal! > > > That's not even getting into the weird belief system (and it is > > > weird, you may just be so used to it you've forgotten how the > > > rest of the world is - easily done in a closed group). Finding > > > out that their are some serious control freak issues at the heart > > > of the TMO comes as a shock to most and drives most people away, > > > I don't know many without some sort of horror story about bad > > > management. If they were straight with you from the start would > > > there be all this trouble? > > > > > > But help is at hand. I sense you are concerned with the effect > > > on collective consciousness and that the people currently being > > > refused dome entry are going to have some sort of negative > > > impact on world affairs. Regardless of whether the Maharishi > > > Effect even exists (I think not - but then I always argue > > > according to evidence and not what I'm told to think) the > > > greater amount of people doing prog outside the domes will make > > > up for the fewer people inside the domes. If it's a field effect > > > (as claimed) then there must be 4000 doing prog and adding their effect > > > (if any) to the official number. I think Hagelin and the > > > boys at MUM should take the numbers of ALL people doing the > > > siddhis in FF and add that to their calculations. Of course, > > > they'd then have to explain why it STILL isn't having any effect ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trouble in FF, > > > > > > > > > > http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trouble in FF. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, evidently meditator FF folk recently re-registering are > > > > > > > being asked at registration if they have 'seen' other saints. > > > > > > > Responding 'yes', these TM meditators are denied re-registration > > > > > > > on the spot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & Raja John Hagelin is aware of this? Its consequent in the > > > > > > > meditating community just by word of mouth on the numbers of > > > > > > > people who could be doing program in the domes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does Hagelin know? > > > > > > > > > > > > Would seem like Hagelin is getting stabbed in the back by his > > > > > > dogmatic doctrinal types within TMmovement administration. > > > > > > > > > > > > Must be mighty frustrating in there for Hagelin while his dome > > > > > > numbers sag & the meditating community gets distanced from the the > > > > > > movement again like this. Sad to watch tragedy like his. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:12:39 -0500 > > > > > > > > Subject: Message to Invincible America from Raja John Hagelin > > > > > > > > From: Invincible America <communication@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The July 2009 Invincible America Assembly was perfect in every > > > > > > > > way." > > > > > > > > - IA Course Participant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Now it's August. Many visitors have left. Our Super Radiance > > > > > > > >> numbers > > > > > > > > are in a lull until the MUM students return and the next group > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Maharishi Vedic Pandits arrive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We urgently need all local Sidhas to attend morning and evening > > > > > > > > programs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for being here in wonderful > > > > > > > > Fairfield and Maharishi Vedic City. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JAI GURU DEV > > > > > > > > > > ox > II
