--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jul 13, 2005, at 6:32 PM, akasha_108 wrote: > > > A western christian telling a muslim that they have "embraced a false theology and a god" does not solve ANYTHING. Just as white civil rights workers in the early 60's were bright and educated students who, if they wished, could be productive and prosperous members of suburban America. But they were shocked and dismayed at the state of civil rights in the south, were pissed off, and risked careers, life and limb to do something about it. Why is it so hard to imagine idealistic muslims doing the same. > > But it does highlight one particular point that is deliberately avoided due to political correctness and absolutely avoided by all politicians and that is that the basis of this IS religious. A good Muslim has a number of things they are required to do, an one of those is Jihad. ...Jihad can mean if you I or anyone else says anything deemed blasphemous--we can be killed and it is perfectly lawful!
Your point is ambiguous to me. "Can" is the operative word. I hope you are not saying all muslims must kill you. That extremity of jihad interpretations is far from the mainstream position of muslims world wide. As I remeber, jihad means struggle. it has many levels of application. Struggle against sin is a common one. And like any religion, Islam has fundamentalists that try to do everything required of them, to follow all the laws. In some ways thats admirable. But the vast majority in any religion don't follow all the laws. In Islam, muslims are not typically kiled by jhadist because they do not follow one or more obscure laws of the qu'ran. So if you believe (I hope not) that ALL muslims must kill you if you do ANYthing that is deemed against qu'aranic law, then .. well its hard to comment on such a mindset. If you ae saying there are some extreme muslims who take a, far minority, hardline view of jihad, as a need to kill and that on top of this there are some muslims who feel all muslims and non-muslims need to follow all qu'ranic law, and that there is a small overlap of the two groups, then yes, there are some pretty scary muslims in this category. Just like some christian militia groups. And extreme jewish groups. > That's what happened to that > descendent of Van Gogh who did the movie on abuse of Islamic women: he was stabbed in the heart in public and his throat slit. Perfectly legal because he was a blasphemer. So I hope youare not saying that this criminal behavior is supported by and would also be enacted by most muslims. We can both paint any number of odd christian or jewish events. or Hindu events. Does the fact that David Koresh or Rev Jones did what they did mean in any way many or all christians support such and would do the same? > To another Jihad means you have to convert > people--some think that means the whole world must be converted and it > their job to see that this is done--some feel that means "convert or > die". So many have died due to christian evangelism. I see islam and muslims as being quite less evangelical than christians. A muslim hss never tried to convert me. And I have actually sought out learning asbout Islam from them. > This is nothing new, this has been happening since Islam started. > Remember the Sabians? Your point is unclear. Extreme christian evangelicism has been happening since 1 AD. Its sad. Its scary, but its not mainsteam christianity (though fundamentalist christianity is growing and is scary). > All the places Islam has spread has one thing in common--it is part of a vast area of the planet where years ago huge climactic shifts caused deserts. Well, I guess you have never been to Indonesia. Or southern Phillipines. Or Malaysia. Or much or southern coastal Africa. Or read much. > Starvation ensued. A lifestyle arose from this highly > (muscular) armored seed culture totally at odds with their own > life-current. This is what starvation does to a human, but it's also > what happens when that imprint becomes part of human society and their > taboos, rituals and practices. These same areas are where male and > female genital mutilation was born and is still practiced. Also tight > swaddling of children to prevent crying, etc., binding of the skull, > etc. > > Thus there is a bioenergetic core and cause to this IMO. This type of > movement thrives on prana depleted areas. Wow, again I hope you are not extrapolating this stuff to all muslims. I feel a lot of wierd hate vibes in your writing. I hope I am mis interpreting it. Do you know much about islamic history. The state of islamic culture in 800-1400 or so? It lead the world. Have you visited the mosques and palaces in india. The Taj Mahal? All Islamic architect ure. Its fabulous, and clearly from a deep culture of art and beauty. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
