If FairfieldLife's very own expatriot postal worker was trying to answer for
Robert, you failed. The Question was, How dou you know the Afganis in that
photo were Taliban? Mujaheddin had several factions, one of which were Taliban.
The Northern Alliance helped our special forces drive the Taliban out of
Afghanistan. Equating anybody that opposed the Soviet Union as *Taliban* sounds
...xenophbic.
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From: do.rflex <do.rf...@yahoo.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 2:16:50 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'The CIA~Addicted to Death and Drugs!'
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon <mdixon.6569@ ...> wrote:
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> So, how is it that you know that those are Taliban?
>
They are the radical Muslim Mujahidin. The Taliban is/was a faction of that
group.
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I guess in 1983 they could have been, although the taliban didn't take control
of Afghjanistan till some time in the 90's. The Saudis backed the Taliban and
the US backed the Northern Alliance, who helped kick the Taliban out of the
country.
The Southern redneck needs a good history review:
Fisking the "War on Terror"
by Juan Cole - August 02, 2005
Once upon a time, a dangerous radical gained control of the US Republican Party.
Reagan increased the budget for support of the radical Muslim Mujahidin
conducting terrorism against the Afghanistan government to half a billion
dollars a year.
One fifth of the money, which the CIA mostly turned over to Pakistani military
intelligence to distribute, went to Gulbuddin Hikmatyar, a violent extremist
who as a youth used to throw acid on the faces of unveiled girls in Afghanistan.
Not content with creating a vast terrorist network to harass the Soviets,
Reagan then pressured the late King Fahd of Saudi Arabia to match US
contributions. He had earlier imposed on Fahd to give money to the Contras in
Nicaragua, some of which was used to create rightwing death squads. (Reagan
liked to sidestep Congress in creating private terrorist organizations for his
foreign policy purposes, which he branded "freedom fighters," giving terrorists
the idea that it was all right to inflict vast damage on civilians in order to
achieve their goals).
Fahd was a timid man and resisted Reagan's instructions briefly, but finally
gave in to enormous US pressure.
Fahd not only put Saudi government money into the Afghan Mujahideen networks,
which trained them in bomb making and guerrilla tactics, but he also instructed
the Minister of Intelligence, Turki al-Faisal, to try to raise money from
private sources.
Turki al-Faisal checked around and discovered that a young member of the
fabulously wealthy Bin Laden construction dynasty, Usama, was committed to
Islamic causes. Turki thus gave Usama the task of raising money from Gulf
millionaires for the Afghan struggle. This whole effort was undertaken,
remember, on Reagan Administration instructions.
Bin Laden not only raised millions for the effort, but helped encourage Arab
volunteers to go fight for Reagan against the Soviets and the Afghan
communists. The Arab volunteers included people like Ayman al-Zawahiri, a young
physician who had been jailed for having been involved in the assassination of
Egyptian president Anwar El-Sadat. Bin Laden kept a database of these
volunteers. In Arabic the word for base is al-Qaeda.
In the US, the Christian Right adopted the Mujahideen as their favorite
project. They even sent around a "biblical checklist" for grading US
congressman as to how close they were to the "Christian" political line. If a
congressman didn't support the radical Muslim Muj, he or she was downgraded by
the evangelicals and fundamentalists.
Reagan wanted to give more and more sophisticated weapons to the Mujahideen
("freedom fighters"). The Pakistani generals were forming an alliance with the
fundamentalist Jamaat-i Islam and begining to support madrasahs or hardline
seminaries that would teach Islamic extremism. But even they balked at giving
the ragtag Muj really advanced weaponry. Pakistan had a close alliance with
China, and took advice from Beijing.
In 1985 Reagan sent Senator Orrin Hatch, Undersecretary of Defense Fred Iklé
and others to Beijing to ask China to put pressure on Pakistan to allow the US
to give the Muslim radicals, such as Hikmatyar, more sophisticated weapons.
Hatch succeeded in this mission.
By giving the Muj weaponry like the stinger shoulderheld missile, which could
destroy advanced Soviet arms like their helicopter gunships, Reagan
demonstrated to the radical Muslims that they could defeat a super power.
Reagan also decided to build up Saddam Hussein in Iraq as a counterweight to
Khomeinist Iran, authorizing US and Western companies to send him precursors
for chemical and biological weaponry. At one point Donald Rumsfeld was sent to
Iraq to assure Saddam that it was all right if he used chemical weapons against
the Iranians. Reagan had no taste in friends.
On becoming president, George H. W. Bush made a deal with the Soviets that he
would cut the Mujahideen off if the Soviets would leave Afghanistan. The last
Soviet troops departed in early 1989. The US then turned its back on
Afghanistan and allowed it to fall into civil war, as the radical Muslim
factions fostered by Washington and Riyadh turned against one another and used
their extensive weaponry on each other and on civilians.
In the meantime, Saddam, whom the US had built up as a major military power,
invaded Kuwait. The Bush senior administration now had to take on its former
protege, and put hundreds of thousands of US troops into the Gulf and Saudi
Arabia. The radical Muslim extremists with whom Reagan and Bush had allied in
Afghanistan now turned on the US, objecting strenuously to a permanent US
military presence in the Muslim holy land.
>From 1994 Afghanistan was increasingly dominated by a faction of Mujahideen
>known as Taliban or seminary students (who were backed by Pakistani military
>intelligence, which learned the trick from Reagan and which were flush from
>all those billions the Reagan administration had funneled into the region). In
>1996 Bin Laden came back and reestablished himself there, becoming the leader
>of 5,000 radical Arab volunteers that Reagan had urged Fahd to help come to
>Afghanistan back in the 1980s.
In the meantime, the US had steadfastly supported Israeli encroachments on the
Palestinian Occupied Territories and the gradual complete annexation of
Jerusalem, the third holiest city to Muslims.
Since the outbreak of the first intifada, Israeli troops had riposted with
brutality. Even after the Oslo accords were signed, the size of Israeli
colonies in the Palestinian West Bank and around Jerusalem doubled.
A steady drumbeat of violence against Palestinians by Israelis, who were
stealing their land and clearly intended to monopolize their sacred space,
enraged the Muslim radicals that had been built up and coddled by Reagan.
In 1998, al-Qaeda and al-Jihad al-Islami, two small terrorist groups
established in Afghanistan as a result of the Reagan jihad, declared war on the
United States and Israel (the "Zionists and Crusaders"). After attacks by
al-Qaeda cells on US embassies in East Africa and on the USS Cole, nineteen of
them ultimately used jet planes to attack the Twin Towers and the Pentagon.
The Bush administration responded to these attacks by the former proteges of
Ronald Reagan by putting the old Mujahideen warlords back in charge of
Afghanistan' s provinces, allowing Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri to escape,
declaring that Americans no longer needed a Bill of Rights, and suddenly
invading another old Reagan protege, Saddam's Iraq, which had had nothing to do
with 9/11 and posed no threat to the US. The name given this bizarre set of
actions by Bush was "the War on Terror."
In Iraq, the US committed many atrocities, including bombing campaigns on
civilian quarters of cities it had already occupied, and a ferocious assault on
Fallujah, and tortured Iraqi prisoners.
In the meantime, the Bush administration put virtually no money or effort into
actually combatting terrorist cells in places like Morocco, as opposed to
putting $200 billion into the Iraq war and aftermath. As a result, a string of
terrorist attacks were allowed to strike at Madrid, London and elsewhere.
Fred Ikle, who had been part of the Reaganist/Chinese Communist effort to
convince Muslim fundamentalist generals in Pakistan--against their better
judgment-- to allow the US to give the radical Muslim extremists even more
sophisticated weapons, wrote an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal urging the
nuking of Mecca.
Then in July, 2005, General Richard Myers, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff, announced that there was not actually any "War on Terror:" ' General
Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the National Press
Club on Monday that he had "objected to the use of the term 'war on terrorism'
before, because if you call it a war, then you think of people in uniform as
being the solution." ' (Question: Does this mean we can have the Bill of Rights
back, now?)
The American Right, having created the Mujahideen and having mightily
contributed to the creation of al-Qaeda, abruptly announced that there was
something deeply wrong with Islam, that it kept producing terrorists.
= =
John "Juan" Ricardo I. Cole is an American scholar,
public intellectual, and historian of the modern
Middle East and South Asia.
He is Richard P. Mitchell Collegiate Professor of
History at the University of Michigan. As a commentator
on Middle Eastern affairs, he has appeared in print and
on television, and testified before the United States
Senate.
He has published several peer-reviewed books on the
modern Middle East and is a translator of both Arabic
and Persian. Since 2002, he has written a weblog,
Informed Comment.
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Juan_Cole
= =
http://www.juancole .com/2005/ 08/fisking- war-on-terror- once-upon- time.html
So Robert, do you go to Reverend Wrights church? I mean if the CIA is in
control of Afghan Opium it must be to keep our *uppidy* negros down, doncha
think?
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> From: Robert babajii...@. ..
> To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 1:10:39 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'The CIA~Addicted to Death and Drugs!'
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon <mdixon.6569@ >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah, those Afghanis were soooo much better off under Mullah Omar and
> > the Taliban and so were we...
> >
> >
> > Ronald Reagan seemed to think so. Here Saint Ronny hosts the Taliban at
> > the White House.
> >
> > Reagan chats with the Taliban in the White House in 1983
> >(snip)
> Reagan and his boys, used the Taliban, when it was in their interest, to
> fight the 'Soviets'...
> When the Taliban, did away with the Opium Crops, that was not in their
> interests, as the CIA, needs to drug money...
> So, that is the real reason, for this whole thing..
> Drug money...
> It's only too obvious...
> Why else would they be so interested in Afghanistan?
> To free the people?
> No it's all about money....and they will do anything to get their cut...
> They are MAFIA!
> R.G.
>
