--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon <mdixon.6...@...> wrote: > > Still dodging the question, eh? How do you know anybody in the photo of Reagan meeting Afghan Mujaheddin were Taliban or belonged to any other group? >
You're not paying attention, fella. The Taliban are/were a faction of the radical Muslim Mujahidin. <Taliban never driven out of Afghanistan? Tell that to Mullah Omar and his government, tens of thousands of Afghani refugees living in Pakistan's tribal regions and Obama Bin Laden. > The Taliban is today classified by security analysts as an "alternative government" in Afghanistan. It operates fifteen Sharia law <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_law> courts in the country's southern provinces handling civil and commercial cases and collects taxes on harvests in farming areas. Reflecting its persistent power to intimidate the populace, the Taliban implemented one of the "strictest interpretation[s] of Sharia law ever seen in the Muslim world <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_world> ", yet still occasionally updates its code of conduct.[11] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#cite_note-10> In mid-2009, it established an ombudsman <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman> office in northern Kandahar <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kandahar> , which has been described as a "direct challenge" to the ISAF [International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan]. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#cite_note-11> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban = = Taliban strength in Afghanistan nears military proportionMcClatchy - Wed Oct 14, 2009 WASHINGTON -- A recent U.S. intelligence assessment has raised the estimated number of full-time Taliban -led insurgents fighting in Afghanistan to at least 25,000, underscoring how the crisis has worsened even as the U.S. and its allies have beefed up their military forces, a U.S. official said Thursday. The U.S. official, who requested anonymity because the assessment is classified, said the estimate represented an increase of at least 5,000 fighters, or 25 percent, over what an estimate found last year. http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20091015/wl_mcclatchy/3333450 <"They are radical Muslim Mujahidin. The Taliban is/was a faction of that group." Sorry, but it sounds like you are equating all Mujaheddin as radical Muslims on a level with the Taliban. > Now the Southern Man makes up stuff. Never did I equate the radical Muslim Mujahidin on the same level with the Taliban. All I did was state that the Taliban was a faction of the radical Muslim Mujahidin. The KKK, it could be said, is a faction of the Confederate loving South. That doesn't mean that all Southerners are members of the KKK. They certainly aren't. What's with your bullshit, Dixon? Don't they call that *painting with a broad brush*, xenaphobic? > There's nothing xenophobic about reporting the facts, Southern Man. > > > > ________________________________ > From: do.rflex do.rf...@... > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 7:33:26 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'The CIA~Addicted to Death and Drugs!' > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon <mdixon.6569@ ...> wrote: > > > > If FairfieldLife' s very own expatriot postal worker was trying to answer for Robert, you failed. The Question was, How dou you know the Afganis in that photo were Taliban? Mujaheddin had several factions, one of which were Taliban. The Northern Alliance helped our special forces drive the Taliban out of Afghanistan. > > > > News Flash for Southern Man: The Taliban were never driven out of Afghanistan by the Northern Alliance or anybody else. > > > > Equating anybody that opposed the Soviet Union as *Taliban* sounds ...xenophbic. > > > > Making a distorted, false suggestion like that confirms that don't have a clue what you're talking about. > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: do.rflex do.rflex@ .> > > To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com > > Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 2:16:50 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'The CIA~Addicted to Death and Drugs!' > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon <mdixon.6569@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > So, how is it that you know that those are Taliban? > > > > > > > > > They are the radical Muslim Mujahidin. The Taliban is/was a faction of that group. > > > > > > > > > I guess in 1983 they could have been, although the taliban didn't take control of Afghjanistan till some time in the 90's. The Saudis backed the Taliban and the US backed the Northern Alliance, who helped kick the Taliban out of the country. > > > > > > > > The Southern redneck needs a good history review: > > > > > > Fisking the "War on Terror" > > > > by Juan Cole - August 02, 2005 > > > > Once upon a time, a dangerous radical gained control of the US Republican Party. > > > > > > > > Reagan increased the budget for support of the radical Muslim Mujahidin conducting terrorism against the Afghanistan government to half a billion dollars a year. > > > > > > > > One fifth of the money, which the CIA mostly turned over to Pakistani military intelligence to distribute, went to Gulbuddin Hikmatyar, a violent extremist who as a youth used to throw acid on the faces of unveiled girls in Afghanistan. > > > > Not content with creating a vast terrorist network to harass the Soviets, Reagan then pressured the late King Fahd of Saudi Arabia to match US contributions. He had earlier imposed on Fahd to give money to the Contras in Nicaragua, some of which was used to create rightwing death squads. (Reagan liked to sidestep Congress in creating private terrorist organizations for his foreign policy purposes, which he branded "freedom fighters," giving terrorists the idea that it was all right to inflict vast damage on civilians in order to achieve their goals). > > > > > > > > > > > > Fahd was a timid man and resisted Reagan's instructions briefly, but finally gave in to enormous US pressure. > > > > > > > > Fahd not only put Saudi government money into the Afghan Mujahideen networks, which trained them in bomb making and guerrilla tactics, but he also instructed the Minister of Intelligence, Turki al-Faisal, to try to raise money from private sources. > > > > > > > > Turki al-Faisal checked around and discovered that a young member of the fabulously wealthy Bin Laden construction dynasty, Usama, was committed to Islamic causes. Turki thus gave Usama the task of raising money from Gulf millionaires for the Afghan struggle. This whole effort was undertaken, remember, on Reagan Administration instructions. > > > > Bin Laden not only raised millions for the effort, but helped encourage Arab volunteers to go fight for Reagan against the Soviets and the Afghan communists. The Arab volunteers included people like Ayman al-Zawahiri, a young physician who had been jailed for having been involved in the assassination of Egyptian president Anwar El-Sadat. Bin Laden kept a database of these volunteers. In Arabic the word for base is al-Qaeda. > > > > > > > > > > In the US, the Christian Right adopted the Mujahideen as their favorite project. They even sent around a "biblical checklist" for grading US congressman as to how close they were to the "Christian" political line. If a congressman didn't support the radical Muslim Muj, he or she was downgraded by the evangelicals and fundamentalists. > > > > Reagan wanted to give more and more sophisticated weapons to the Mujahideen ("freedom fighters"). The Pakistani generals were forming an alliance with the fundamentalist Jamaat-i Islam and begining to support madrasahs or hardline seminaries that would teach Islamic extremism. But even they balked at giving the ragtag Muj really advanced weaponry. Pakistan had a close alliance with China, and took advice from Beijing. > > > > > > > > In 1985 Reagan sent Senator Orrin Hatch, Undersecretary of Defense Fred Iklé and others to Beijing to ask China to put pressure on Pakistan to allow the US to give the Muslim radicals, such as Hikmatyar, more sophisticated weapons. Hatch succeeded in this mission. > > > > By giving the Muj weaponry like the stinger shoulderheld missile, which could destroy advanced Soviet arms like their helicopter gunships, Reagan demonstrated to the radical Muslims that they could defeat a super power. > > > > > > > > Reagan also decided to build up Saddam Hussein in Iraq as a counterweight to Khomeinist Iran, authorizing US and Western companies to send him precursors for chemical and biological weaponry. At one point Donald Rumsfeld was sent to Iraq to assure Saddam that it was all right if he used chemical weapons against the Iranians. Reagan had no taste in friends. > > > > > > > > On becoming president, George H. W. Bush made a deal with the Soviets that he would cut the Mujahideen off if the Soviets would leave Afghanistan. The last Soviet troops departed in early 1989. The US then turned its back on Afghanistan and allowed it to fall into civil war, as the radical Muslim factions fostered by Washington and Riyadh turned against one another and used their extensive weaponry on each other and on civilians. > > > > In the meantime, Saddam, whom the US had built up as a major military power, invaded Kuwait. The Bush senior administration now had to take on its former protege, and put hundreds of thousands of US troops into the Gulf and Saudi Arabia. The radical Muslim extremists with whom Reagan and Bush had allied in Afghanistan now turned on the US, objecting strenuously to a permanent US military presence in the Muslim holy land. > > > > > > > > From 1994 Afghanistan was increasingly dominated by a faction of Mujahideen known as Taliban or seminary students (who were backed by Pakistani military intelligence, which learned the trick from Reagan and which were flush from all those billions the Reagan administration had funneled into the region). In 1996 Bin Laden came back and reestablished himself there, becoming the leader of 5,000 radical Arab volunteers that Reagan had urged Fahd to help come to Afghanistan back in the 1980s. > > > > > > > > In the meantime, the US had steadfastly supported Israeli encroachments on the Palestinian Occupied Territories and the gradual complete annexation of Jerusalem, the third holiest city to Muslims. > > > > > > > > Since the outbreak of the first intifada, Israeli troops had riposted with brutality. Even after the Oslo accords were signed, the size of Israeli colonies in the Palestinian West Bank and around Jerusalem doubled. > > > > > > > > A steady drumbeat of violence against Palestinians by Israelis, who were stealing their land and clearly intended to monopolize their sacred space, enraged the Muslim radicals that had been built up and coddled by Reagan. > > > > In 1998, al-Qaeda and al-Jihad al-Islami, two small terrorist groups established in Afghanistan as a result of the Reagan jihad, declared war on the United States and Israel (the "Zionists and Crusaders"). After attacks by al-Qaeda cells on US embassies in East Africa and on the USS Cole, nineteen of them ultimately used jet planes to attack the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. > > > > > > > > The Bush administration responded to these attacks by the former proteges of Ronald Reagan by putting the old Mujahideen warlords back in charge of Afghanistan' s provinces, allowing Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri to escape, declaring that Americans no longer needed a Bill of Rights, and suddenly invading another old Reagan protege, Saddam's Iraq, which had had nothing to do with 9/11 and posed no threat to the US. The name given this bizarre set of actions by Bush was "the War on Terror." > > > > In Iraq, the US committed many atrocities, including bombing campaigns on civilian quarters of cities it had already occupied, and a ferocious assault on Fallujah, and tortured Iraqi prisoners. > > > > In the meantime, the Bush administration put virtually no money or effort into actually combatting terrorist cells in places like Morocco, as opposed to putting $200 billion into the Iraq war and aftermath. As a result, a string of terrorist attacks were allowed to strike at Madrid, London and elsewhere. > > > > Fred Ikle, who had been part of the Reaganist/Chinese Communist effort to convince Muslim fundamentalist generals in Pakistan--against their better judgment-- to allow the US to give the radical Muslim extremists even more sophisticated weapons, wrote an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal urging the nuking of Mecca. > > > > Then in July, 2005, General Richard Myers, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, announced that there was not actually any "War on Terror:" ' General Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the National Press Club on Monday that he had "objected to the use of the term 'war on terrorism' before, because if you call it a war, then you think of people in uniform as being the solution." ' (Question: Does this mean we can have the Bill of Rights back, now?) > > > > The American Right, having created the Mujahideen and having mightily contributed to the creation of al-Qaeda, abruptly announced that there was something deeply wrong with Islam, that it kept producing terrorists. > > > > = = > > John "Juan" Ricardo I. Cole is an American scholar, > > public intellectual, and historian of the modern > > Middle East and South Asia. > > > > He is Richard P. Mitchell Collegiate Professor of > > History at the University of Michigan. As a commentator > > on Middle Eastern affairs, he has appeared in print and > > on television, and testified before the United States > > Senate. > > > > He has published several peer-reviewed books on the > > modern Middle East and is a translator of both Arabic > > and Persian. Since 2002, he has written a weblog, > > Informed Comment. > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Juan_Cole > > = = > > > > http://www.juancole .com/2005/ 08/fisking- war-on-terror- once-upon- time.html > > > > > > > > So Robert, do you go to Reverend Wrights church? I mean if the CIA is in control of Afghan Opium it must be to keep our *uppidy* negros down, doncha think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > From: Robert babajii_99@ .. > > > To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 1:10:39 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'The CIA~Addicted to Death and Drugs!' > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon <mdixon.6569@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, those Afghanis were soooo much better off under Mullah Omar and > > > > the Taliban and so were we... > > > > > > > > > > > > Ronald Reagan seemed to think so. Here Saint Ronny hosts the Taliban at > > > > the White House. > > > > > > > > Reagan chats with the Taliban in the White House in 1983 > > > >(snip) > > > Reagan and his boys, used the Taliban, when it was in their interest, to fight the 'Soviets'... > > > When the Taliban, did away with the Opium Crops, that was not in their interests, as the CIA, needs to drug money... > > > So, that is the real reason, for this whole thing.. > > > Drug money... > > > It's only too obvious... > > > Why else would they be so interested in Afghanistan? > > > To free the people? > > > No it's all about money....and they will do anything to get their cut... > > > They are MAFIA! > > > R.G. > > > > > >
