--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_re...@...> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "dhamiltony2k5" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: <snip> > > Well, actually it is mighty interesting to see who looks in > > and comes through FF and FFL. > > Is also amusing to wonder who some people here think they > > are writing for here as their audience as they push the > > `send' button. > > I agree. It is even more interesting to see the ones > who honestly don't care. They *don't care* whether > what they say on a regular basis reflects poorly > on TM or the TMO, as long as they can "score points" > in their imaginary "battles."
But in fact, Barry wouldn't know anything about these people because, as he tells us repeatedly, he doesn't read their posts. > Can you imagine what a real lurker with real spiritual > aspirations must think of the TM TBs here? This forum > must have resulted in hundreds of such lurkers vowing > never to have anything to do with TM, based on their > own assessment of how 30-year meditators "turned out." Barry seems to believe a TMer should take pains to behave in such a way as to meet the expectations of lurkers, even if that means their behavior is inauthentic, and even though the premise that behavior (or, rather, someone else's opinion thereof) reflects development of consciousness is explicitly disavowed in MMY's teaching. In the Gita 2:54, Arjuna asks Krishna: "What are the signs of a man whose intellect is steady, who is absorbed in the Self, O Krishna? How does the man of steady intellect speak, how does he sit, how does he walk?" In response, Krishna goes on for 18 verses describing the "signs of a man...who is absorbed in the Self" without ever mentioning any of the objective characteristics Arjuna has asked about, or any others that could be discerned by somebody else. He lists only *subjective* characteristics. Maharishi comments on verse 55: "This verse does not record any outer sign of the man whose intellect is steady and who is established in the Self, because there cannot be any outer sign to show that a man is absorbed deep within himself. The inner state of such a man cannot be judged by outer signs." Barry used to be a TM teacher, but it appears he's forgotten this seminal point of what he learned from MMY.
