Hi. I don't know if I should be happy or sorry that I do not understand all the points written in FFL. I read the article, and I did not find anything insulting in it. Sometimes I am jumping in my chair when I read what some of you people writes. But the article did not make me jump at all. We have free press in a free democracy - so Rick, I stand by your side. Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > That's all Rick said about Maharishi in the article. All. > > > > No , the article, which was based on his kind of thinking and I > > believe possible even instigated by him , or the reporter knew him > > and thought it was time for a story like that. Which is fine by me. > > I was talking about his friend whom the article insulted because as > > far as I remember the article went on to say that Amma is a > > philanthropist and Maharishi is a money grabber. Where did the > > reporter get this thining? > > Well, duh...could it possibly be that the reporter > was a normal, thinking person? Given the two modus > operandi of the two teachers, and no emotional > attachment to either, who could NOT get that idea? > > > This is an insult based on small > > thinking, poor logic, and unsubstantiated rumor. > > I disagree. I think that this is a conclusion that > *any* thinking person would come to, given nothing > more than the way the two teachers "do business" > and what they charge for their services. > > I have no idea what you are referring to as "unsub- > stantiated rumor." NO rumor, substantiated or not, > would be necessary for your normal man-off-the-street > to susect that Maharishi was a bit of a money-grubber. > You could learn that much just from the articles that > make it into the mainstream press. > > > As I pointed out in previous post Maharishi has spent 40 years in > > the endeavor of education millions of people. Thousands, possibly > > tens of thousands (at least that is Maharishi's goal) will attend > > schools and universities created by Maharishi. (they are also fed > > there). Education is the only way to help people...not handouts and > > hugs. > > If it really happens, I shall be the first to applaud > it. So far, I haven't seen any convincing evidence > that it has happened on a large scale so far, or that > it is likely to happen on a large scale in the future. > > It hasn't happened on a large scale while he was alive, > and I don't necessarily believe that the people who > are in charge of his money (the nephews, not the TMO) > are going to make it happen once he's gone. I would > LOVE to be proved wrong about this. I would LOVE to > see every penny spent on education and teaching people > to meditate. I would LOVE to see pigs fly. > > > So the article of which Rick is probably the partial inspirer of, > > even if he may not know it (the reporter has probbaly been a reader > > of FFL for a long time, and no doubt Rick has been in > > correspondence with him/her or an associate of hers). > > What was that you were saying earlier about unsub- > stantiated rumor? :-) > > > If someone creates a free education for people, (like in India and > > other places), or even somewhat free, then when someone calls them > > a money grabber, it is kind of absurd. And it is based on > > irrationality and prejudice. > > No, it is based on numbers. How MANY kids were educated > by the TMO millions, possibly billions? How MANY schools > have actually been built? How MANY times has Maharishi > been to any of these schools to see how well his great > work is going? THESE are the kinds of questions reporters > ask. And they should. > > I don't really know the numbers. The only contact I have > with the TMO these days is this forum and a.m.t., neither > of which I trust as authoritative. There might be thousands > of such schools right now in India. But I've really only > heard about one or two. Those one or two could have been > paid for by the interest on the interest of the TMO millions. > Where did the rest go? > > > If this is entirely the reporters own inspiration fair > > enough....sorry Rick...but my only point Turquoise was that his > > friend might be insulted if he calls his wife (someone beloved) a > > money grabbing control freak, and his friend is obviously fond of > > Maharishi as a guru beloved by him/her > > Well, I would call someone who reacts to their wife being > called a whore by losing control and becoming angry some- > one who's pretty attached and ungrounded, but that's just > me. NONE of the language you use above was in the article. > NONE of it. You PROJECTED it there, or the friend whose > POV you're channeling projected it there. The actual > article was as balanced a piece as I have EVER seen about > a non-mainstream spiritual organization. > > > > The only other times he's quoted he's talking about Amma. > > > What he said of a factual nature was the truth, and what > > > he said in the last section quoted above was opinion, > > > and was clearly labeled as such. By comparison, the two > > > TMO representatives quoted were compelled to lie. > > > > > > Could you please point out to me in the above quotes > > > exactly where Rick spoke ill of Maharishi? Can you steer > > > me to the section where he suggested anything remotely > > > like "your wife is a slut and a whore?" > > > > > > You're running Cultthink, release 1.0, dude. It's old > > > software, hideously outdated, and the software didn't > > > work for shit when it was new. You're seeing things > > > that aren't there. >> > > > > No, you are unable to see the mechanisms that go towards this > > article. > > The ones in your head? > > That's the only place I've seen evidence of them. > > Please explain. > > > It is your inability. > > I am only talking about how his friend might feel. I don't tell my > > friend who loves Jesus that Jesus was fraud and a fake, because it > > probably won't help them. > > I agree that it probably won't help them. But it also > won't have any affect on them at all unless they're > ungrounded and attached enough to allow it to do so. > Remember drawing a line on water? > > If they read this article and react the way Rick's > "friend" did, I'm sorry, but that's drawing a line > on stone. That person is rigid. > > > > As I said earlier about Rick's friend, I think that > > > if you examine the article, and what was actually said, > > > what you are pissed off about is that Rick committed > > > the horrible sin of telling the truth, and in public. > > > > I am not pissed off. You lack depth of discernment, and assume I > > am pissed off. Your prejudice shows by this, because I was only > > talking about how I understand how his friend might feel. > > I understand how he might feel, too. Been there, > thought like that. But I don't condone or support > it any more. It seemed to me that you were, given > the complete off-the-targetness of your analogies. > I reacted -- probably overreacted -- to that. If > what you were doing was "channeling" the POV of > Rick's friend for instructive purposes and I mis- > understood, you have my apologies. > > > I don't give > > flying @%#$ if Rick published a paper on how Maharishi has > > 100 Rolls Royces and 1000 dancing girls. > > I would. That wouldn't be true. What Rick said > in this article was either all true, or was clearly > labeled as his opinion. I don't see how anyone > could have done better, and with more grace. > > > I really don't care. I was talking about > > his friend's reaction, and how he might feel that way. Not the > > way I feel, but your prejudice shows, by the fact you thought I am > > the one pissed off about the article. I don't care about. It is > > just an article. > > My apologies if what you were doing was putting > yourself in the point of view of Rick's friend, > and I didn't get that. I didn't get that feeling, > but as many have pointed out, I am new here, and > haven't developed a real sense of people's styles > yet. I'm sorry if I reacted to what was said as > if you really meant it and you didn't. > > Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
