--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_re...@...> wrote: > If I'm right about what the terms mean, it must > really have been a *shock* for Hagelin to learn > that the person he described this way not long > before was sitting there beaming not because he > had only silence to go home to, but because he > had a wife and kids to go home to as well.
I agree Turq, "Someone dedicated solely to THAT." Code for "no boners." Grinning like a five year old at his "big boy" party being showered with the kind of praise usually reserved for the bonerless. That was a fascinating video for anyone who witnessed the changing of the guards during Manarishi's life. Because Maharishi himself was so often hardest on people who were closest when it came time to discard and replace them. Jerry IS Hegelin. He served the same role in his time and has the two teeth of the elephant as required. Totally personally bought into a guru disciple relationship,his job was to mask this with the "Aw shucks" common sense appearance that made it possible to get at the kid in colleges with SIMS. Suit and tie, dwelling on the most practical sounding aspects of the program, he was our model as teachers. With the appearance of being completely candid he was a totally hidden person, always "on" for the master. (Of course when I hung out with him I was in my 20's so I can understand why he would keep his company man shield up with me.) Even when he was being pummeled by jerk-offs Maharishi had put in charge like Neil Patterson, he never let his feelings show. I think Bevan's body language was from that era when trashing Jerry showed you were on the new inner circle. Jerry jumped the shark when he came to MIU in '76? to present the World Government and to tell us the we lost the court case because of the personal impure lifestyles of the initiators. Very Pat Robertson of him. Even when he was announcing to teachers that their ATR credit had been taken away after the fact he made it seem as if he was on their side. Tee hee. Larry Domash was the first Hegelin and man could he talk! He made it all sound so "sciency." Certified brilliant and certified full of shit. He jumped the shark when the WHIMS physically carried him out in Seelisberg, or was it when he got married in defiance or Maharishi's wishes? (Keith Wallace jumped the shark when he knocked up the model so wieners have the downfall of many a movement bigwig.) When Hegelin came on board he was smooth as silk. I remember hearing him for the first time. Always soft spoken but a tad less Madam Butterfly in those days, he kicked our mental asses with his physics-speak. It made it all sound sooo rational and super advanced and unified fieldtastic! The fact that he would enter politics for Maharishi was his trial by fire I think. The willingness to appear the fool in such a public manor earned him a spot on the silk dais. His professionally honed ass-kissing for the birthday boy probably was sincere. As smart as that guy is I don't think he needs to be on the throne to make things happen. So much more subtle than than the oafish, heavyhanded(literally and figuratively) lout Beven (fat joke courtesy of PG Woodhouse: "He looks like he was poured into his suit and forgot to say 'when!'" Hegelin serves the "Jerry" role really well. He could trash your agreements with the movement with a smile and make you go away with renewed optimism that next time the movement would be fair. The movement likes its saints dead or sidelined. For all the Jerry nostalgia, he will not get a say in anything. For all the "enlightened uncle" vibe he gets now after the vindictive and cruel Maharishi is gone (I saw it up close, the guy was a prick to Jerry) he will be treated more like the doddering fool uncle who you trot out at Thanksgiving and keep away from the grandkids. He may shake his head a bit that now the movement wears its Hindu guru worship on its sleeve, but he was always as all in as Raja Ram or Hegelin. Willing to do anything for the Master they believe in with all their hearts with perfect certainty. And the conclusion they draw from their beliefs is far from personally humble. They are the toppermost of the poppermost by their association with Maharishi. They are all versions of the Cheshire Cat Maharaja who is just the made in China by child labor version of the great Maharishi himself. Time to erect another tower to his greatness. (That is NOT a metaphor guys.) > > --- In [email protected], "PaliGap" <compost1uk@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], Sal Sunshine <salsunshine@> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 26, 2010, at 6:54 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "PaliGap" <compost1uk@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], merudanda <no_reply@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Qu7a2lbkw > > > > > > > > 'scuse my ignorance, but who was that speaking? > > > > I'm sticking my head above the parapet here - but I > > > > thought he did a fine job. > > > > > > > And was that substantial chap reading his magazine > > > > and making notes Bevan? (And why wasn't he paying > > > > attention!) > > > > > > Richard, you can't be serious. > > > Hagelin just mouthed the same banal, > > > boring platitudes he always does, and in the > > > same creepy sing-songy pseudo-feminine > > > voice...not to mention > > > that he looks more than ever like the Pillsbury Dough Boy. > > > Bevan looks even more overweight and > > > sedentary than he ever has. I wonder how > > > much energy it takes to get him off that chair? > > > The whole thing was ghastly. I thought I'd take > > > a look and see if there were any changes of > > > note lately--I'm sorry I did. Few things are more > > > depressing than these aging Vedic queens. > > > > Oh! > > > > As you can see I'm not up on this stuff (Hagelin, who he?). > > Each to his own etc etc. I thought he came across quite > > natural and sincere. A minority of one here for sure. > > I got more of a "well-practiced bullshitter" from > him, myself. I would not be surprised to learn that > many of the seemingly-spontaneously natural and > sincere moments we saw in this talk had been used > in many talks before. To use Curtis' term, it feels > more like a "language form" he's running to me than > it does sincerity. > > > Bevan (for it was He) - now his body language looked downright > > rude and disrespectful. Flicking through his copy of, what? > > "Train Spotter Monthly"? - and seeming to me to pointedly > > disregard proceedings. > > Harsh. I'm thinking we need to cut Bevan a little > slack because I paused the video and zoomed way > in, and what he was perusing so intently was > the dinner menu. :-) > > > Perhaps my radar needs a service. > > Here's one for your radar, and for anyone else > who finds it interesting in light of Hagelin's > recent statement about the revelation of Da King > having a wife and kids. > > Can someone who knows the terms used by Hagelin > at the end when talking to, and about, Raj Raam > please translate them for me? I am honestly not > familiar with the terms as he used them. I get > the (purely intuitive) impression he's using terms > that traditionally are used to refer to a celibate > recluse, and one whose worth and importance come > from both that celibacy and that reclusiveness. > > If I'm right about what the terms mean, it must > really have been a *shock* for Hagelin to learn > that the person he described this way not long > before was sitting there beaming not because he > had only silence to go home to, but because he > had a wife and kids to go home to as well. > > Really, if Hagelin *believed* what he was saying > at the end of this clip, I can imagine that he > had some problems with the revelation. That he > immediately sent out an email "press release" > saying what he did...uh...reinforces my take on > him as a "well-practiced bullshitter" above. >
