--- In [email protected], Vaj <vajradh...@...> wrote: > > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:59 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > Excellent find Ruth, thanks for posting it. This is exactly what > > Sam Harris has been saying: > > > > "You can accept the subjective reality [of transcendent > > experiences], without going the extra step and accepting that it > > was real outside of the internal theater of the mind," said > > Beyerstein. > > > > Since most people who did a lot of program DID have "transcendent" > > experiences the questions remains: "What does it mean." And I would > > add: "Is the explanation given by a pre-scientific society devoted > > to keeping people restricted into a rigid social structure really > > the best we can do today?" > > > Also keep in mind, as reported here before by Turq, myself, and > others, one can have the experience of "transcending the > transcendent" they experienced with TM! What does THAT mean?
Don't you think it would be a hard thing to compare between people? I certainly believe that you had experiences after TM that you interpret as deeper but I have had so many versions of "deeper" from all the techniques I received in the movement that I'm not sure a comparison is valid. Maybe my super duper transcendence after Jaiminy sutras on the WPA in Amhurst was deeper than anything you got to! We are in a world of subjective valuation. Now if you floated and I didn't you might have more of a case. Perhaps > just that there are deeper or different levels of "transcendence" and > a coached transcendent may not be as important as we were lead to > believe. Or it just could be the brain "doing something different". All good questions but hard to pin down without some objective standard. Personally I felt all samadied up from TM. I know you have mentioned sitting in samadhi for days which does sound different but I have never witnessed that. > TMers believe havin' wonderfabululous alpha coherence is what it's > all about, but neuroscientists disagree. I am excited about the research progressing. I hope I live long enough to see some real advancements in this area. > > Siddhi cultivation for it's own sake has long been known in India to > be a way for disreputable gurus to gain control over students. It has also been used as a way to claim that the inner state is really special. It is even used in the Bible as proof of specialness. Getting to the bottom of these claims would be useful except people who believe in these powers are not stating it in a falsifiable form. There is always one more guy in the mountains who really really has the powers after you debunk the fist thousand. >
