-- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltabl...@...> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > <snip> > > > It is his rejection of that cruel ideology that makes his > > > thinking so attractive to me. He is saying something that > > > is the opposite view of the karmic belief system, "it's > > > not fair!" > > > > Well, let's say it's the opposite of the view of some > > who believe in karma. > > The phrase "It's not fair" is the exact opposite of karmic > theory without any need to reference how people apply what > it means to their personal lives.
LOL! Sorry, but I think it's absurd to get all wrought up over belief in the abstract. How can it be "cruel" except in reference to how it's applied? <snip> > > > I think it is fascinating that you are promoting a guy > > > who explicitly states that he does not belief in God > > > and whose views are so much more inline with Gandhi > > > than Guru Dev. > > > > You think Guru Dev didn't believe in helping people who > > were suffering? > > I don't really know. He didn't seem like much of a > people person to me. I do know that he promoted Sanatana > Dharma and that includes supporting the caste system and > its belief that a child born with Yadayadayada. Since we aren't talking about how people apply their beliefs, "I don't really know" is all you need to say, isn't it? <snip> > > Sometimes it seems to me that those who argue against > > certain religious beliefs base their arguments on the > > most simplistic understanding of those beliefs, and once > > they've demolished the case for the simplistic versions, > > think they've eliminated any reason for holding any > > version of the beliefs. > > And sometimes people who hold beliefs without evidence > that convinces non believers try to shift the discussion > away from the lack of evidence Actually, I was calling attention to the lack of evidence. <snip> > But that is not the case in its native country where > hundreds of little girls are being brought up in brothels > that they cannot escape because of their birth status. Ah, so it *is* about how (some) people apply their beliefs, then. Make up your mind, please. See, I don't think it really has all that much to do with specific religious systems. I don't think they determine behavior so much as that they're used as an excuse for behavior. I'm all for criticizing behavior where appropriate, but I think blaming it on religion is way too easy, especially from a simplistic view of the religion in question.
