As a woman, I think the attitude that MMY and his TMO have towards 
women, is dangerous, for women. For us, in the West, that have fought 
for womens rights and is still fighting, it is like stepping back 
centuries. Like we welcome the Taliban regime. Not in Burka, but in 
Saris. It is incredible that women from different countries don't 
wear dresses from their own countries, but all dress in Saris in 
Mother Divine - and International Courses and so on. It is like an 
uniform. In the Good Old Days MMY used to speak about variety, and 
how valuable variety is, to keep the Culture in our own Country. To 
value the Culture that we have in our own Countries. Because the 
Natural Laws worked different in different countries. If you look at 
the pictures from Global County, the variety is gone. 
To really challenge the TMO. In the 60ths and 70ths, it was both men 
and women running the TMO around the world, with success. Now it is 
only men...
When I was initiating in The Soviet-Union some years ago, I was 
working with Brahmans. When they met me, they had long serious 
discussions about how to treat me, because I was from the West,I was 
a woman and I was unmarried. Should they treat me as a Whore or 
Madonna, because we were supposed to held courses together. I had all 
the odds against me. At last they decided - Madonna. So I lived with 
those guys at their premises, watching my step every hour in 6 
months, happy to know that this was only a temporary situation. Now, 
it seems that MMY and the TMO is making a lasting situation with the 
women in the background, very humble and silent - it is just terrible.
Ingegerd


--- In [email protected], "L B Shriver" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], off_world_beings 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > <<(I'm kind of surprised nobody has talked about
> > > this, not even the smattering of women here.
> > > I didn't start thinking about it until just
> > > recently. The only mention of the nonexistent
> > > participation of women was when we noted the
> > > original "Raja So-and-So and Wife" titles on
> > > the photos of the couples, and the subsequent
> > > removal even of this reference to the women.>>>
> > > 
> > > Everyone here is very blasie about this now, and it has been 
posted 
> > > before.
> > 
> > Naw, I've been reading all the traffic here 
> > from the beginning of the whole Raja thing,
> > and I haven't seen a word except the comments
> > about the wives not being named in the photos.
> > 
> > I'm not even talking about the *political*
> > aspects; we've known about the TMO's, and
> > MMY's, sexism for decades.  I'm talking about
> > the practical effect of the absence of the
> > feminine vibe among the Rajas in terms of
> > whatever effect *they're* supposed to have on
> > world consciousness.
>  
> ******
> 
> Your observations and question seem perfectly reasonable to me. I 
think the crux of the 
> answer lies in your own words: "Â…whatever effect they're supposed 
to have on world 
> consciousness".
> 
> Personally, I think there's not much to worry about in terms of the 
movement's effects on 
> world consciousness, because I don't see it having much of an 
effect at this point.
> 
> [Not a trick question:] Do you see the movement having any 
significant effect on world 
> consciousness at the moment? If not at this time, when was the last 
point at which you felt 
> you could observe something of significance? 
> 
> L B S




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