--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > and: what is there about permanent witnessing that is NOT a benchmark 
> > > of some sort, enlightenment-wise?
> > 
> > Permanent witnessing is to enlightenment as having toenails
> > is to being human.
> > 
> > Just a tiny part of a larger phenomenon...
> 
> Except, of course, you don't need toenails to be human. Are you 
> saying that witnessing isn't a defining characteristic, however 
> beginning-level it actually is, of enlightenment?

I am suggesting, since the consistent experience of people
who have begun witnessing frequently has been that, once
it "started" they realized it had never *not* been present, that
witnessing has no more physiological coorelation to enlight-
enment than having toenails does.

The witnessing was present before it was noticed.  It is there
after it has been noticed.  What is to test for?

I am unconvinced that anyone will *ever* find physiological
coorelates to enlightenment.  






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