On 02/24/2011 12:10 PM, Michael Flatley wrote:
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> Do you see him as a charlatan?
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> Your assessment is that money was VERY important to him.
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> If that's true, then every time he said he didn't care about money, then it 
> was a lie, and personal integrity meant very little to him.
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> This, to me indicates a negative path, and reveals the ultimate irony.
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> And yet there are still so many hard-core robots out there still 100% 
> brain-washed.  And not greedy, and honestly attempting a positive 
> orientation: to be truly helpful to others, and not willing to create 
> personal gain through trickery, and yet the severe brainwashing can only 
> result in the perpetuation of more abuse.
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> The fact that we have so much testimony from those who knew him best and also 
> managed to recover from the brainwashing gives some hope that forums like 
> this will ultimately prevail, and the majority of robots will gradually see 
> the hidden truth, and hopefully recover before dying.
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> If they die brainwashed, then that would decrease self-actualization on the 
> other side, wouldn't you think?   Without awareness, a soul can become a 
> meal, if they agree to it.
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> Negative beings are looking to eat consciousness, and it's not a good meal 
> unless the soul being eaten is in agreement with the process.  Once they've 
> been assimilated, they are now now stuck on a negative path as part of a 
> larger being, and actually evolving.  And this large entity gives the equally 
> large positive entities the workout they need to continue with their growth 
> and development.
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> That, to me is the hidden agenda of bad religion.  It conditions the soul to 
> be absorbed by a higher dimensional entity with a negative orientation, happy 
> to use trickery  and lies to gather power, expanding consciousness through 
> merging in with others in a hostile fashion, starting with the bogus 
> religious teachings.  Does this make sense?
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> At the same time, without bad religion, we would not get the rigorous 
> training to build awareness.  If religion offered perfect instructions for 
> self-development, we would all just be followers, and never learn leadership 
> qualities, never learn how to self-validate.  The trickery is obviously 
> needed.  The indians call it Coyote medicine.  When they talk about the four 
> directions, they put coyote medicine in the East.
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> Apparently, nature requires a 50:50 mix of beings doing a positive (ie 
> friendly) orientation vs. negative (ie deception, hostile, competitive) 
> pathways.  This is my interpretation of the endless enigma that was MMY.  A 
> lot of what made him so unique, was his keen awareness of the evolutionary 
> process, and westerners were starved for spiritual information.
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> I would even go as far as to say that he was aware of what I'm describing, 
> understands it completely.... he had to be self-aware, and was able to 
> recognize his dark side, and he chose to embrace that, consciously.   This 
> part is pure hypothosis.
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> Bottom line: I am arriving at a place of self-acceptance in relation to the 
> awareness that I participated in a cult from '75 to '89.  If I hadn't made 
> that boo-boo, I would made others instead.  It was just the puzzle of it all, 
> and the years of perplexity since he fired the original board of trustees... 
> the cool guys: Jarvis: Lutes: Jenkins and replaced them with robots.  That 
> was my first major clue that something was off, and that this was not a 
> trustworthy leader.  I stuck around because I enjoyed the community.  I was 
> also entertaining the fantasy that it might be possible to really levitate.
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> I still have dreams that I'm the first person to float.  And then I'm 
> thinking about the consequences of revealing this ability, and wondering if 
> others will also start floating.
> It's a fun dream.
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> Thanks,
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> Michael

I'll comment on this. It's important to understand Indians and their 
culture.  Westerners believe they are a high-minded bunch keeping to 
religious principles.  Drop money at their feet and see how long that 
lasts.  Being the were kept in poverty for century by western 
colonialists, what else would we expect?

As for TM being a cult what would your folks have said if you came home 
with head shaved wearing a kurtajami because you joined ISKON?  At the 
time TM appeared to be the *least* cult-like of the spiritual 
organizations.  Thus my family excepted it as a good thing which they 
wouldn't had I come home wearing some Indian garb.  That said I walked 
away from it in the mid-80s having had enough of the hype especially 
paying $185 for what was essentially an intro lecture on Ayurveda that I 
could have given myself.  I decided the teaching was indeed "yoga lite" 
and kept intentionally narrow to keep the carrot higher for more income 
whereas other organizations were much more rich in their teaching (and 
they didn't require a head shaving either nor a hefty pocketbook).

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