To Vaj: a. What makes you believe MMY isn't in Unity? b. Does Unity = Enlightenment? c. Can people be in Unity and still be charlatans? ... thx http://www.fantasygallery.net/law/art_13_giantshadow.html
--- In [email protected], Vaj <vajradhatu@...> wrote: > > Hi Michael, thanks for the thoughtful response, > > On Feb 24, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Michael Flatley wrote: > > > Do you see him as a charlatan? > > I'd be reluctant to actually call him that. I cannot rule out that he felt he > was sincere, nor can I rule out that many did benefit from his teaching. It's > impossible to really know, so the best I can do is hope that the net result > was for the better and not the worse. > > Having said that, IMO he was not the great rishi or yogi he wanted us to > believe he was, nor really an authentic teacher, just a salesman at the right > place, at the right time and with the perfect, spot-on pitch. And a really > fine eye for details of delivery, packaging/presentation and just the right > mixture of authenticity. > > I don't consider him a jivan-mukti, "enlightened". > > He had pretty some bad personality flaws, not the least of which seemed to be > delusions of grandeur, narcissism and some considerable schizotypal and > paranoid ideation as well. > > > > Of course I could be completely wrong and he could be just the right nudge, > in the right direction, at the right time. > > > > Your assessment is that money was VERY important to him. > > > > If that's true, then every time he said he didn't care about money, then it > > was a lie, and personal integrity meant very little to him. > > > > > > This, to me indicates a negative path, and reveals the ultimate irony. > > > > > > And yet there are still so many hard-core robots out there still 100% > > brain-washed. And not greedy, and honestly attempting a positive > > orientation: to be truly helpful to others, and not willing to create > > personal gain through trickery, and yet the severe brainwashing can only > > result in the perpetuation of more abuse. > > > > > > The fact that we have so much testimony from those who knew him best and > > also managed to recover from the brainwashing gives some hope that forums > > like this will ultimately prevail, and the majority of robots will > > gradually see the hidden truth, and hopefully recover before dying. > > > > If they die brainwashed, then that would decrease self-actualization on the > > other side, wouldn't you think? Without awareness, a soul can become a > > meal, if they agree to it. > > Accepting our own delusions as real is only helpful if you're somehow able to > step outside of them for at least a brief, insightful glimpse and then be > able to just drop them when we need to, not just want to. There is a point of > no return, an event horizon that you can pass that will prevent that insight > from occurring. > > But it's impossible to know what hidden strong points we all carry within us, > hidden. Married with that basic goodness is the ability to become a hero at > the right time. > > > > > Negative beings are looking to eat consciousness, and it's not a good meal > > unless the soul being eaten is in agreement with the process. Once they've > > been assimilated, they are now now stuck on a negative path as part of a > > larger being, and actually evolving. And this large entity gives the > > equally large positive entities the workout they need to continue with > > their growth and development. > > > > That, to me is the hidden agenda of bad religion. It conditions the soul > > to be absorbed by a higher dimensional entity with a negative orientation, > > happy to use trickery and lies to gather power, expanding consciousness > > through merging in with others in a hostile fashion, starting with the > > bogus religious teachings. Does this make sense? > > Well that's certainly what some claim. Siddhi cultivation has a universally > negative connotation in the Shankaracharya tradition IME. > > But many gurus are sincere from their own POV. They believe the truth of what > their saying, even if they only have a sketch and are making the rest up, on > the fly. One of the disappointing stories on Mahesh is the story of how he > would be prepped by his students on abstract ideas, often by reading various > Sanskrit translations; all backstage, behind the curtain. Then he would go > out and rap on what he had just been told as the latest revelation, the next > "thing", the new knowledge. > > The enrapt audience would swallow it hook line and sinker. >
