Sure - first he ran away and next he agitated from afar. He is responsible for far more suffering than Maharishi ever was. I don't have anything against the guy - I am sure he is a fine person to have a beer or cup of tea with. This focus on the transgressions of MMY though is a red herring when it comes to Bozotronic Barry and Vaj. At least the issue is being discussed now and challenged vs. the last five years of monotonous and misplaced bashing of all things TM by these two fools.:-)
--- In [email protected], tartbrain <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@> wrote: > > > > A couple of things: One, much of the continued oppression of Tibet is due > > to the agitation for a "free Tibet" by His Helplessness the Dalai Lama. > > Well pre-strausberg 1988 he advocated independence, in the 23 years since he > has advocated autonomy based on a mandate of Tibetians. > > Your response to several questions as to how DL lost Tibet bring odd answers. > You claim that the DL lost Tibet by not standing up to a much stronger and > ruthless Chinese Army. Yet he also lost it by standing up too strongly too > the Chinese and advocating independence and the softened it to autonomy. > Does that really make sense to you Jim? > > > > > Two, Tibet is the DL's primary responsibility, not Maharishi's primary > responsibility. If you want to go ahead and blame the perpetuation of all of > the evil state governments in the world on Maharishi, your logic kind of > falls apart. > > > > --- In [email protected], "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > <anartaxius@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The Dalai Lama was about 24 years old when he fled (including about > > > 80,000 countrymen) to India. He was aided by the CIA. How many are great > > > statesmen at this age? It was feared the Chinese were going to abduct > > > him. China had occupied the capital since 1951 and things got very > > > complicated when the Tibetans revolted in 1959. Exactly what is a > > > spiritual failure? Failing to become enlightened is a spiritual failure. > > > Do we know what the Dalai Lama's spiritual state is now, or was then? > > > > > > While he was the traditional head of Tibet, it does not seem there was > > > much he could do in face of the Chinese forces bearing down on Tibet. > > > According the the Dalai Lama, "The first thought in the mind of every > > > official within the Palaceâ¦.was that my life must be saved and I > > > must leave the Palace and the city at onceâ¦â¦Everything was > > > uncertain, except the compelling anxiety of all my people to get me away > > > before the orgy of Chinese destruction and massacre began". > > > > > > I think the situation was much more complicated than characterising this > > > as some massive spiritual failure. In what way do Vaj's put downs of MMY > > > distract from this other train of events? The Dalai Lama recommends > > > everyone to meditate every day, just like MMY. And he seems to be better > > > known than MMY. If he did not succeed at stopping the China, and that > > > was his goal, then that is a failure, but that is not necessarily a > > > spiritual failure for a person to not play superhero. Maybe he thinks of > > > himself as a failure, I would not know, but others consider the move a > > > wise one in the circumstances. > > > > > > Here are some other things that did not work out. Maharishi inaugurates > > > the World Plan (1972) to solve the age-old problems of mankind in this > > > generation. The seven Goals of the World Plan are: > > > > > > 1. To develop the full potential of the individual. > > > 2. To improve governmental achievements. > > > 3. To realise the highest ideal of education. > > > 4. To solve the problems of crime, drug abuse, and all behaviour that > > > brings unhappiness to the family of man. > > > 5. To maximize the intelligent use of the environment. > > > 6. To bring fulfilment to the economic aspirations of individuals and > > > society. > > > 7. To achieve the spiritual goals of mankind in this generation. > > > > > > These goals did not get Tibet in any better a situation either, and the > > > world seems pretty much as it was then, if not worse off. Everyone, > > > whether they know it or not, is spiritual, but some are dimmer than > > > others. Perhaps the most visible spiritual failure among the world's > > > traditions is probably the former Cardinal Ratzinger, who seems > > > considerably more spiritually occluded than his predecessors. > > > > > >
