--- In [email protected], "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@...> wrote: > > Thanks for clarifying. Yes, I agree it is all about wholeness running the > show.:-)
So let me see if I have finally understood your point: Wholness is running the Show. The DL is to blame for poorly running the show. Ergo, the DL is Wholeness. > > --- In [email protected], "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" <anartaxius@> > wrote: > > > > I was being ironic. The World Plan does seem to have failed though. > > > > This particular post of mine regarding the DL only discusses events > > concerning him up to 1959. I will have to admit that my knowledge of this > > particular aspect of history is not complete enough to analyse the > > situation well, but this discussion of the DL and the relationship of Tibet > > to China seems over simplistic. Whether one is a great leader, or a total > > incompetent, having your small country invaded by an ideologically > > motivated army of vast and superior technology and size is probably not > > something that could be stopped. > > > > The bullies won. > > > > I do not hold Maharishi responsible for this at all. As I quoted in another > > post, 'For know that no one is free, except Zeus.' a quote from Aeschylus: > > This means that in the activity of the world, only the whole is responsible > > for what happens. Individuality and individual bodies moving about are > > puppets that think they matter. > > > > --- In [email protected], "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@> wrote: > > > > > > A couple of things: One, much of the continued oppression of Tibet is due > > > to the agitation for a "free Tibet" by His Helplessness the Dalai Lama. > > > Two, Tibet is the DL's primary responsibility, not Maharishi's primary > > > responsibility. If you want to go ahead and blame the perpetuation of all > > > of the evil state governments in the world on Maharishi, your logic kind > > > of falls apart. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > > <anartaxius@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The Dalai Lama was about 24 years old when he fled (including about > > > > 80,000 countrymen) to India. He was aided by the CIA. How many are great > > > > statesmen at this age? It was feared the Chinese were going to abduct > > > > him. China had occupied the capital since 1951 and things got very > > > > complicated when the Tibetans revolted in 1959. Exactly what is a > > > > spiritual failure? Failing to become enlightened is a spiritual failure. > > > > Do we know what the Dalai Lama's spiritual state is now, or was then? > > > > > > > > While he was the traditional head of Tibet, it does not seem there was > > > > much he could do in face of the Chinese forces bearing down on Tibet. > > > > According the the Dalai Lama, "The first thought in the mind of every > > > > official within the Palaceâ¦.was that my life must be saved and I > > > > must leave the Palace and the city at onceâ¦â¦Everything was > > > > uncertain, except the compelling anxiety of all my people to get me away > > > > before the orgy of Chinese destruction and massacre began". > > > > > > > > I think the situation was much more complicated than characterising this > > > > as some massive spiritual failure. In what way do Vaj's put downs of MMY > > > > distract from this other train of events? The Dalai Lama recommends > > > > everyone to meditate every day, just like MMY. And he seems to be better > > > > known than MMY. If he did not succeed at stopping the China, and that > > > > was his goal, then that is a failure, but that is not necessarily a > > > > spiritual failure for a person to not play superhero. Maybe he thinks of > > > > himself as a failure, I would not know, but others consider the move a > > > > wise one in the circumstances. > > > > > > > > Here are some other things that did not work out. Maharishi inaugurates > > > > the World Plan (1972) to solve the age-old problems of mankind in this > > > > generation. The seven Goals of the World Plan are: > > > > > > > > 1. To develop the full potential of the individual. > > > > 2. To improve governmental achievements. > > > > 3. To realise the highest ideal of education. > > > > 4. To solve the problems of crime, drug abuse, and all behaviour > > > > that > > > > brings unhappiness to the family of man. > > > > 5. To maximize the intelligent use of the environment. > > > > 6. To bring fulfilment to the economic aspirations of individuals > > > > and > > > > society. > > > > 7. To achieve the spiritual goals of mankind in this generation. > > > > > > > > These goals did not get Tibet in any better a situation either, and the > > > > world seems pretty much as it was then, if not worse off. Everyone, > > > > whether they know it or not, is spiritual, but some are dimmer than > > > > others. Perhaps the most visible spiritual failure among the world's > > > > traditions is probably the former Cardinal Ratzinger, who seems > > > > considerably more spiritually occluded than his predecessors. > > > > > > > > > >
