--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "Patrick Gillam" 
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > This entire thread has pointed up for me the 
> > > > > > damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't nature 
> > > > > > of spiritual teaching.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Exactly.  And the whole problem is that some in this thread
> > > > > are suggesting that there is a "right" way to be a spiritual
> > > > > teacher.  IMO that's a lot like every other theory that 
proposes
> > > > > a "one size fits all" approach...it's unrealiistic and
> > > > > ineffective.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Teachers are different.  They have different approaches, 
> > > > > based on their individual paths, their individual 
predilections,
> > > > > and their individual personalities.  Students are different.
> > > > > They, too have individual predilections and personalities.
> > > > > Some students feel more comfortable with a teacher who
> > > > > teaches a certain way; others feel more comfortable with a
> > > > > teacher who teaches a completely opposite way.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Where is the problem in this?
> > > > 
> > > > The problem occurs when the teacher evokes a response
> > > > from the student that is clearly not what he or she
> > > > intended 
> > > 
> > > Sez who?
> > 
> > Since you were essentially asking the question
> > with regard to my thesis, I responded from my
> > perspective.
> 
> I see.  So all of the judgments about "not what the
> teacher intended" and "counterproductive" below
> should be viewed as having been made from the
> point of view of ignorance.  Thank you for clarifying.

Uh, no, you didn't quite get it, sorry.

> > > There are traditions in which the teacher *deliberately* sets
> > > out to push the students' buttons.  The more they are pushed,
> > > the better he has done his job.
> > 
> > Be a good idea to actually read the words you're
> > responding to, in this case the words "clearly not
> > what [the teacher] intended."
> 
> As seen by the ignorant from the point of view of
> ignorance.

Uh, no, from the teacher's perspective.

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