--- In [email protected], "Patrick Gillam" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "Patrick Gillam" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > In our Philosophy of Science core course at MIU in 1977, David
> > > Clay deconstructed the stress theory and clarified its 
> > > shortcomings. It was a clarifying if understated moments in my 
> > > Maharishi education. 
> > 
> > I'd be interested to hear whatever you remember of
> > what he said.
> 
> The gist of it was, as I recall, Judy (and we've already 
> established the reliability of my memory in another 
> thread), the stress theory doesn't explain enough of 
> the phenomena we observe as a result of people 
> practicing TM. Here I'm at a loss for an example, 
> though, so please permit me to continue with generalities.
> 
> Simply removing stress doesn't explain all the creative 
> or growth characteristics of the practice of TM. Those 
> characteristics suggest a larger theory at work which 
> we may call the consciousness theory. It would seem 
> consciousness is a field of all possibilities which, when 
> tapped, makes manifest those possibilities daily life.
> 
> Sound familiar now?
> 
> The stress theory deals with removing something 
> physical; the consciousness theory deals wtih adding 
> something spiritual.
> 
> To relate this to earlier points in this thread, I would 
> say that from the point of view of Patrick Gillam in the 
> 1970s, it was way more compassionate for a TM teacher 
> to speak in terms of removing stress. From my point of 
> view now, I'd rather hear about consciousness.
> 
> Perhaps other MIU alums from that era could elaborate 
> upon or correct what I've written above. George DeForest? 
> Peter Sutphen? 
> 
> Or maybe Rick Archer could get input from the teacher, David Clay. 
> You know everyone else, Rick, so I'm just assuming...
> 
> ; )

I think there's a problem with Clay's own understanding of stress and 
TM, if he presented things that way:

"stress" in TM isn't "physical" save in the sense of a memory being 
physical within the brain's physical/bio-chemical structure. In MMY's 
definition, stress is that which prevents you from being enlightened, 
or more accurately, from being in samadhi during TM practice.

Repeated exposure to samadhi, or to physiological states that 
approximate samadhi, change the brain in a way that facilitates 
samadhi to occur outside of meditation for some noticeable length of 
time.

It's samadhi that is the creative source, not just "lack of stress."






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