--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@...> wrote: > > > On Jul 15, 2011, at 4:53 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 2011, at 9:46 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > However, what I meant by "there's alpha and then there's alpha" is > > > > a reference to the specific pattern(s) that show up during TM, > > > > especially during the pure consciousness state. > > > > > > > > > Alleged pure consciousness state. I don't believe anyone accepts that > > > metaphysical speculation except TM folks - esp. since we now have a > > > much clearer idea of what the EEG of samadhi looks like and what it's > > > physiological results are at the cellular level. Sadly, it has not > > > been seen in TM so far. > > > > > > > That assumes that what you are referring to is the "real deal" while what I > > am referring to is not. > > Well these were lineal realizers from the Patanjali tradition. I guess you'd > have to decide what you'd consider a "fourth" state. They considered it > samadhi. I'm simply stating that EEG signatures well known to be associated > with waking, sleeping and dreaming would not traditionally, experientially, > be considered "the fourth". > > > > > What is fun about *my* real deal pure consciousness state is that it is > > found in self-actualizing non-meditators. Is yours? > > Generally NOT. And in the Vedantic trip that's why it was called "the fourth" > (turIya). It's something beyond the ordinary states, other than briefly in > various "peak experiences". >
actually, turiya isn't beyond any of them. It is the background on which they are projected. These days, scientists call it the "default mode of the brain." L.