On Jul 15, 2011, at 4:53 PM, sparaig wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@...> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 14, 2011, at 9:46 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > However, what I meant by "there's alpha and then there's alpha" is > > > a reference to the specific pattern(s) that show up during TM, > > > especially during the pure consciousness state. > > > > > > Alleged pure consciousness state. I don't believe anyone accepts that > > metaphysical speculation except TM folks - esp. since we now have a > > much clearer idea of what the EEG of samadhi looks like and what it's > > physiological results are at the cellular level. Sadly, it has not > > been seen in TM so far. > > > > That assumes that what you are referring to is the "real deal" while what I > am referring to is not.
Well these were lineal realizers from the Patanjali tradition. I guess you'd have to decide what you'd consider a "fourth" state. They considered it samadhi. I'm simply stating that EEG signatures well known to be associated with waking, sleeping and dreaming would not traditionally, experientially, be considered "the fourth". > > What is fun about *my* real deal pure consciousness state is that it is found > in self-actualizing non-meditators. Is yours? Generally NOT. And in the Vedantic trip that's why it was called "the fourth" (turIya). It's something beyond the ordinary states, other than briefly in various "peak experiences".
