--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@...> wrote:
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> On Jul 16, 2011, at 4:30 AM, cardemaister wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote:
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> > > On Jul 15, 2011, at 4:54 PM, sparaig wrote:
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> > > > Certainly that is the case, that the TM researchers thought (and still
> > > > do) that these episodes are significant. I'm curious as to why you
> > > > think they are not?
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> > >
> > > Because there's been nothing demonstrated as outside the normal realm of
> > > waking-dreaming-sleeping for one.
> > >
> > > But the primary source is yogic literature itself, which defines the
> > > different types of breath suspensions in considerable detail. The Hindu
> > > science of breath is quite detailed.
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> >
> > Hmm...at least Bhojadeva in his commentary on YS, seems to
> > define the fourth praaNaayaama simply as 'stambha-ruupo gati-
> > vicchedaH':
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> > tau dvau viShayAvAkShipya paryAlochya yaH stambharUpI (?typo;
> > I think it should be 'stambharUpo') gativichChedaH
> > sa chaturthaH prANAyAmaH
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> The fourth pranayama, as explained numerous times before, is in no way
> related to TM-based apneas. It's defined and experienced quite differently.
> The fourth pranayama is alluded to in the tales of a number of sages and
> deities whereby they suffocate the world through their practice, the beings
> thereby being forced to seek refuge in god.
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> Once perfected, days, months or years, the yogin decides. It's completely
> under the will.
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