--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@...> wrote: > > > On Jul 16, 2011, at 4:30 AM, cardemaister wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 2011, at 4:54 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > Certainly that is the case, that the TM researchers thought (and still > > > > do) that these episodes are significant. I'm curious as to why you > > > > think they are not? > > > > > > > > > Because there's been nothing demonstrated as outside the normal realm of > > > waking-dreaming-sleeping for one. > > > > > > But the primary source is yogic literature itself, which defines the > > > different types of breath suspensions in considerable detail. The Hindu > > > science of breath is quite detailed. > > > > > > > Hmm...at least Bhojadeva in his commentary on YS, seems to > > define the fourth praaNaayaama simply as 'stambha-ruupo gati- > > vicchedaH': > > > > tau dvau viShayAvAkShipya paryAlochya yaH stambharUpI (?typo; > > I think it should be 'stambharUpo') gativichChedaH > > sa chaturthaH prANAyAmaH > > > The fourth pranayama, as explained numerous times before, is in no way > related to TM-based apneas. >
Only wanted to point out that by Bhojadeva's definition caturthaH praaNaayaamaH *seems* to be quite a simple thing... >It's defined and experienced quite differently. The fourth pranayama is >alluded to in the tales of a number of sages and deities whereby they >suffocate the world through their practice, the beings thereby being forced to >seek refuge in god. > Perhaps they just wanted to "mystify" it! :D > > Once perfected, days, months or years, the yogin decides. It's completely > under the will. >
