Dear CurtisDB, Thanks, I love you too for the same reason in reverse. Someone needs to speak up for the true-bliever here to make it worthwhile, this is a hard job. Oh,I took the same classes. -Buck in FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > Golly, what a grump. You were a philosophy major? > > > > We spent a month on the philosophy of science and during that month our > teacher did everything he could to subvert its methods to protect the > religious beliefs of the movement. I am familiar with the routine you and > Hegelin run from the inside, having been pretty good at it myself when I was, > like you, a propagandist for Maharishi's beliefs. It makes it all seem so > much more reasonable to hit the buzzwords of science to try to bypass > people's critical thinking. Most people's understanding of its methods is so > poor that just invoking some of its terms are enough for them to give an idea > a pass from scrutiny. > > But trying to point out when the terms of science are being misused to > deceive makes me far from grumpy. It delights me. That is why you are one > of my favorite posters here. Without you we would be bereft of the movement > propaganda POV, and that would detract from my enjoyment in posting here very > much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > Doug: > > > > > > "which is corroborated by discoveries in modern physics and neuroscience, > > > reveals an underlying cause: the build up of acute stress in the > > > collective consciousness of societies, which fuels violence in the > > > actions of man and imbalance in the events of nature." > > > > > > Me: > > > > > > There are scientific principles and theories in play here. The most > > > important one is our mind's quest for order and explanation in a complex > > > world. We see forms and shapes in random clouds and Jesus in a taco. It > > > is what our mind does when faced with randomness or complexity. It is > > > effortless and unconscious. > > > > > > The world seems like a safer, more understandable place if we can > > > associate the thoughts we have in our heads with bad things like war and > > > natural disasters. Oh, the opium of believing we can prevent these things > > > from happening with our all powerful minds, like magic. > > > > > > And if you just spouted some religious belief that makes you feel all > > > comfy inside, I wouldn't be tempted to write. But you had to throw in > > > the term "science", perverting its meaning in a dishonest attempt to prop > > > up religious beliefs as if they were based on established scientific > > > method derived theories. This is wrong. I know who you learned it from. > > > The spin master himself. > > > > > > And this thoery that victimizes the victim, as if the people of Japan had > > > it coming from all their "stress" and "imbalance" compared to any other > > > people in the world is sick. Do you really think that all the people in > > > the drought in Africa deserve this? > > > > > > Well, the Hindu belief system does. And I guess as a pseudo-outcaste > > > Hindu you might share the belief that all is well and wisely put, that no > > > child dying in pain didn't earn it in a past life. And as much as I find > > > that view repugnant, it doesn't rise to the level of deceptive > > > communication as asserting that any of this nonsense is scientifically > > > based. > > > > > > Own your beliefs. You believe spiritual claims because it makes sense to > > > you and it makes you feel good. Fair enough. But you can drop the drop > > > the pseudo-scientific 3 out of 4 dentists surveyed posturing. It just > > > doesn't fly anymore. > > > > > > > > > > Golly, what a grump. You were a philosophy major? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > What do conflicts in the Middle East and natural disasters in Japan > > > > have in common? > > > > > > > > Very little on the surface of things one is man-made, the other > > > > nature-made. > > > > > > > > But a closer analysis of the mechanics of how nature functions at the > > > > deepest levels from the perspective of the ancient Vedic science of > > > > consciousness, which is corroborated by discoveries in modern physics > > > > and neuroscience, reveals an underlying cause: the build up of acute > > > > stress in the collective consciousness of societies, which fuels > > > > violence in the actions of man and imbalance in the events of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Are conflicts in the Middle East > > > > > > and disasters in Japan preventable? > > > > > > > > > > > > Technologies of the ancient Vedic science of consciousness > > > > > > can reduce violence in society, imbalances in nature > > > > > > > > > > > > As predicted nearly 5 years ago, a large group of meditation > > > > > > experts in Iowa produces dramatic fall in US violent crime rates, > > > > > > number of destructive hurricanes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I invite all well-wishers of peace to fully investigate the > > > > > scientific principles and the research which underlie these > > > > > technologies and then, if your questions are answered, to partner > > > > > with us in promoting a world of permanent peace." Dr. John Hagelin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earthquakes are interesting. There is very little that shakes your > > > > > > > belief in Reality As You Know It as everything shaking under your > > > > > > > feet. > > > > > > > The very term "terra firma" comes into question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been in a few. The biggest was in Agadir, Morocco in 1960. > > > > > > > Years > > > > > > > later, working in a tall office building in downtown L.A., I > > > > > > > experienced > > > > > > > another one. It rattled windows and we could feel the whole > > > > > > > building > > > > > > > swaying, but it passed without damage, and we all stood around > > > > > > > for a few > > > > > > > minutes talking about it, and pretending that we hadn't just seen > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > lives flash before our eyes. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk gravitated to the other 'quakes we'd experienced. One of the > > > > > > > programmers I'd been working on the same floor as for some time > > > > > > > mentioned Agadir, and I was surprised so I took him aside and > > > > > > > followed > > > > > > > up on it. Turns out he was originally Moroccan, forced to leave > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > Jewish diaspora several years later, and now living and working > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > US. As we chatted, we realized in a moment of mutual shock that > > > > > > > many, > > > > > > > many years earlier we had sat in the same room together. It was > > > > > > > during a > > > > > > > showing of the film "Exodus" on the Air Force base my parents > > > > > > > lived at. > > > > > > > A lot of Jewish residents of nearby Marrakesh had gotten > > > > > > > permission to > > > > > > > visit the base so that they could see the movie, which was > > > > > > > naturally > > > > > > > banned from local theaters. So it turned out that this fellow and > > > > > > > I had > > > > > > > been sitting in the same movie theater. Go figure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I moved from California to New York, one of the things in > > > > > > > the back > > > > > > > of my mind was, "Well, at least I won't have to worry about > > > > > > > earthquakes > > > > > > > any more." So what happens during my first week of work on the > > > > > > > 40th > > > > > > > floor of a NY office building? An earthquake. We were later told > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > the building was measured swaying four feet back and forth; I can > > > > > > > certainly assure you that this is exactly what it felt like, from > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > 40th floor. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The thing is, the earthquake itself was in Nova Scotia. As was > > > > > > > explained > > > > > > > on the News in the days that followed, the East coast of the US > > > > > > > is even > > > > > > > more susceptible to damage from a major earthquake than the West > > > > > > > coast > > > > > > > is. The basic infrastructure of West coast, because of the > > > > > > > constant > > > > > > > grinding against each other of the tectonic plates, is more > > > > > > > fractured. > > > > > > > The waves of an earthquake thus don't tend to travel very far, the > > > > > > > energy being dissipated to some extent in the fractured ground. > > > > > > > But on > > > > > > > the East coast, the ground is more solid, so the effects of a > > > > > > > large > > > > > > > earthquake can travel much further -- hundreds of miles. So > > > > > > > Washington, > > > > > > > D.C. was lucky. This one seems to have been localized, and in an > > > > > > > area > > > > > > > that confined its effects to a small area. In Agadir, a 'quake > > > > > > > one point > > > > > > > lower than this one on the Richter scale destroyed a third of the > > > > > > > city. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And just to give our California dwellers pause, the Richter scale > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > the only measure. It is logarithmic, and thus illusory -- a 6.8 > > > > > > > is 100 > > > > > > > times more powerful than a 5.8, and a 7.8 is 1000 times more > > > > > > > powerful. > > > > > > > But earthquakes, where this can be measured, are also rated by the > > > > > > > distance that the fault line itself has shifted. For example, > > > > > > > during the > > > > > > > San Francisco quake that burned down major portions of the city, > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > fault line in question only shifted a few inches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When contemplating what the term "The Big One" could potentially > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > for California, bear in mind that they are predictable. They > > > > > > > occur in > > > > > > > 150 to 200 year cycles. The last one was back during the Civil > > > > > > > War. > > > > > > > During that one, the entire San Andreas fault line shifted > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > like eight feet. According to historical records, it knocked > > > > > > > almost > > > > > > > every existing building in California off its foundation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Weird facts like this make me happy that I live in the Netherlands > > > > > > > rather than California. We're pretty earthquake-free here. And > > > > > > > it's not > > > > > > > as if a nation that is largely below sea level has anything to > > > > > > > fear from > > > > > > > climate change and rising ocean levels. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
