Tom T writes:> The experience of awakening is very real, very
visceral. It is profoundly based in the physiology.

Judy writes:
So is the experience of ignorance.

Tom T: Again, ignorance is not an experience it is an idea with a
story. Tell me in detail how you experience this ignorance. Where and
it what degree and how it effects your physiology.

Tom T Writes: The idea of not being enlightened
> is a story. Tell me where and how that idea "I am not awake" is
known in the gut of the physiology. Tom

Judy writes:
 That's exactly where it *is* known, of course.

Tom T;
Be specific please. What do you know and how does it appear in the
physiology. This is not a trap but genuine inquiry. I really want to
know how it appears for you and what sensations in the physiology you
can comment on. Thanks Tom





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