--- In [email protected], Sal Sunshine <salsunshine@...> wrote: > > Jim, I can't remember at this point which article claimed > she was responsible for giving the cops permission to use > the spray.
Which you believed, in the absence of any evidence. In fact, she told the cops not to use force in taking down the tents, and to "avoid violence at all costs." The cops apparently took that as permission to use pepper spray as long as they didn't actually beat anybody up. > But I do clearly remember the articles pointing out that > she was trying to make it seem as though the students > were holding her hostage right before she made her > famous perp walk. Nobody "pointed that out," Sal. It had to have been a fact before it could be pointed out, and it wasn't a fact, it was their speculation (and these were blog posts, not articles, just for the record). The media are perfectly capable of having decided that she was being "held hostage" all on their own, regardless of the reality. The bloggers figured that if this is what the media were reporting, it must be because Katehi had "made it seem" as if it were the case, which is, frankly, just stupid on the part of the bloggers. For a different perspective (which Sal, of course, won't look at), here are two posts by the campus UCC minister, Kristin Stoneking, the woman who walked with Katehi to her car on Saturday night through the crowd of seated, silent protesters. She was involved in setting that up and describes how it went down: http://cahouse.org/Weblog/?p=160 http://cahouse.org/Weblog/?p=154 Stoneking is clearly on the side of the protesters and is critical of how the administration has been handling the protests, both at UC-Davis and UC-Berkeley (the first part of the second post above discusses the situation at Berkeley, not Davis). But she isn't into blind, thoughtless condemnation. She explains, among other things, that Katehi had insisted that the police *not* be called to disperse the protesters who had gathered at the building while she was inside, even though she and others in the building genuinely feared for her safety if she went outside. Obviously the behavior of the protesters during what Sal idiotically refers to as the "perp walk" made a big impression on Katehi. She's now a lot more sympathetic to the students and is clearly committed to finding out what went wrong and ensuring that it never happens again. She's put the two cops who used the spray on leave, as well as the scumbag police chief who lied about the cops using the spray because they were "surrounded" by protesters with no escape route, which obviously was not the case. Now, *that's* "reprehensible." She's also asked the local DA to investigate, in addition to the internal investigation she's ordered. Some Nazi, eh? Anyone in that frame of mind should not have responsibility for the well-being of thousands of students. Happy Thanksgiving also to you and yours. > > On Nov 24, 2011, at 1:00 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: > > > Nazis? wtf?? Sorry, not buying it. I have heard and seen her interviewed 4 > > or 5 times and it just doesn't come across as a snow job. > > > > Which Nazis by the way did you find particularly endearing, making me > > possibly susceptible to their charms? And when is stuffing millions of > > people into ovens the same as one dumbass cop pepper spraying students? You > > sound pretty touchy Sal - perhaps even *out* of touch with reality. Please > > enjoy your Thanksgiving anyway! :-) > > > > --- In [email protected], Sal Sunshine <salsunshine@> wrote: > >> > >> On Nov 24, 2011, at 5:42 AM, whynotnow7 wrote: > >> > >>> It was an interesting article. I've heard the Chancellor interviewed here > >>> on TV and radio a fair amount following the UC Davis debacle, and she > >>> comes across to me anyway as genuinely concerned about this, beyond just > >>> saying the right things. Seems like a decent enough soul in the middle of > >>> a very ugly situation. > >> > >> Then you would have been perfect bait for the Nazis, Jim. A lot of > >> them came across as "decent souls," too. Wake up. Anyone can put on a > >> pious act for the cameras. It's what they do that counts, and her actions > >> were reprehensible.
